Best guess when hiring will happen

[Stayfly121]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

[link821]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Cheers

[the-minister31]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

[rudder]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

[link821]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

[rudder]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

[link821]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

Okay understood, thanks rudder

[fixnfly]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

I'm pretty sure it'll likely be at least October/November 2022. There are pilots that selected option 2; to start when their training date is set and were placed on a loa until then because they couldn't hold their type in the fall bid or their type was being retired. The company set those training dates for September/October 2022. The idea was that those pilots would be trained and returned to work sometime this winter but training priority goes to those on the payroll, and the company just doesn't have a need for that many pilots right now.

[the-minister31]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

I see a few ex-sky EMB FO are sched for october and it's return-to-work training as far as I know, do they fall behing the pilots transitionning from the RJ?

[rudder]

I see a few ex-sky EMB FO are sched for october and it's return-to-work training as far as I know, do they fall behing the pilots transitionning from the RJ?

RTW pilots are being requalified on type they were current on prior to layoff (except D8). This may or may not line up with their final position from Bid 2021-01.

[asleep_at_the_yoke]

Given the excess vacancies on the AC bid released today, and the fact the most of our new hires have to come from Jazz I imagine OTS hiring at Jazz will start pretty soon.

[rudder]

Given the excess vacancies on the AC bid released today, and the fact the most of our new hires have to come from Jazz I imagine OTS hiring at Jazz will start pretty soon.

More likely Jazz pilots start to move to AC September 2022 and that will coincide with Jazz hiring.

The training pipeline for both carriers is full. There is an outside chance that hiring could start by June. Would depend on sim availability (Jazz does not use offshore sim resources) and instructor availability (summer - good luck!)

[link821]

Given the excess vacancies on the AC bid released today, and the fact the most of our new hires have to come from Jazz I imagine OTS hiring at Jazz will start pretty soon.

More likely Jazz pilots start to move to AC September 2022 and that will coincide with Jazz hiring.

The training pipeline for both carriers is full. There is an outside chance that hiring could start by June. Would depend on sim availability (Jazz does not use offshore sim resources) and instructor availability (summer - good luck!)

Given that the March 14th 2020 class doesn’t go to training till March or April its probably safe to say hiring will be soon after that?

[Outlaw58]

Given the excess vacancies on the AC bid released today, and the fact the most of our new hires have to come from Jazz I imagine OTS hiring at Jazz will start pretty soon.

More likely Jazz pilots start to move to AC September 2022 and that will coincide with Jazz hiring.

The training pipeline for both carriers is full. There is an outside chance that hiring could start by June. Would depend on sim availability (Jazz does not use offshore sim resources) and instructor availability (summer - good luck!)

As Rudder mentioned, many are being requalified on their previous type that may not be what they were awarded in the bid. This is especially true for the EMB75 where there is a need to fill seats well before the first few pilot qualified through initials are going to be ready. Just because you see training in Sep-Oct does not mean ALL pilots won't be trained til then, it only means they won't be trained on their awarded position until then. ALL pilots should be trained on a type before the summer (makes no sense to shut down the training mill for the summer if there are untrained pilots getting paid at home doing nothing)

Hiring in the fall is more than possible, especially if AC is publishing vacancies. Being the optimistic kind, I would even dare to say summer .

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[rudder]

Given that the March 14th 2020 class doesn’t go to training till March or April its probably safe to say hiring will be soon after that?

The current plan is that ALL Jazz pilots will be qualified and flying for summer 2022. Also planned that NONE will be offline in type conversion training for summer 2022. Recurrent training of course will still be conducted which does tie up sim time and trainers.

This holds open the possibility that there may be available training resources June/July/August so you never know. Likely depends on numbers from Bid 2022-01 if it runs in January. Also may be affected by anticipated 2022 attrition to AC (this was NOT factored in to Bid 2021-01).

[link821]

Given that the March 14th 2020 class doesn’t go to training till March or April its probably safe to say hiring will be soon after that?

The current plan is that ALL Jazz pilots will be qualified and flying for summer 2022. Also planned that NONE will be offline in type conversion training for summer 2022. Recurrent training of course will still be conducted which does tie up sim time and trainers.

This holds open the possibility that there may be available training resources June/July/August so you never know. Likely depends on numbers from Bid 2022-01 if it runs in January. Also may be affected by anticipated 2022 attrition to AC (this was NOT factored in to Bid 2021-01).

That makes sense!

[YC87DRVR]

Given the excess vacancies on the AC bid released today, and the fact the most of our new hires have to come from Jazz I imagine OTS hiring at Jazz will start pretty soon.

The training pipeline for both carriers is full. There is an outside chance that hiring could start by June. Would depend on sim availability (Jazz does not use offshore sim resources) and instructor availability (summer - good luck!)

Because they may currently not use outside training resources (I have no idea if they do), doesn’t mean they won’t in the future if required. They have used outside sims (FSI)for both initial and recurrent training in the past.

[rudder]

Because they may currently not use outside training resources (I have no idea if they do), doesn’t mean they won’t in the future if required. They have used outside sims (FSI)for both initial and recurrent training in the past.

Offshore = outside Canada. And Jazz uses only their own instructors (exception was initial type training B757 at DL/ATL).

Jazz has rarely used any simulator outside of the country for the Express fleet types. I believe SEA was the only facility.

Jazz will use FSI YYZ Q400’s if necessary. However, Jazz already has priority access to 2 Q400 simulators (YYZ/YVR) for a fleet of 39 aircraft which is more than enough capacity.

2 CRJ simulators (YYZ) for a fleet of 50 aircraft which is basically at the limit.

1 EMB simulator (YYZ) for a fleet of 25 aircraft which is basically also at the limit and exclusive to AC only.

Jazz could find itself looking in USA For CRJ or EMB sim capacity. That would involve paperwork for pilots not already listed in the US system for permission to enter for the purpose of commercial flight training.

I am not aware of any plan to do so but you never know. AC does not seem to have any hesitation sending pilots offshore for training.

https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=78038

[RegionalPilot]

Given that the March 14th 2020 class doesn’t go to training till March or April its probably safe to say hiring will be soon after that?

The current plan is that ALL Jazz pilots will be qualified and flying for summer 2022. Also planned that NONE will be offline in type conversion training for summer 2022. Recurrent training of course will still be conducted which does tie up sim time and trainers.

This holds open the possibility that there may be available training resources June/July/August so you never know. Likely depends on numbers from Bid 2022-01 if it runs in January. Also may be affected by anticipated 2022 attrition to AC (this was NOT factored in to Bid 2021-01).

I do have a feeling (based on no facts) that HR will bring back those 2 cancelled 2020 ground schools classes at one point between spring and summer. By the time they start contacting people, and get them back into the system (maybe doing another sim eval, interview?), summer will be around the corner.

[rudder]

I do have a feeling (based on no facts) that HR will bring back those 2 cancelled 2020 ground schools classes at one point between spring and summer. By the time they start contacting people, and get them back into the system (maybe doing another sim eval, interview?), summer will be around the corner.

The pilots with rescinded job offers (that’s what it was - they never achieved employee status with Jazz) will likely repeat medical assessment and drug screening. Unlikely to repeat interview or simulator technical evaluation, although you never know if it turns out they have been inactive flying. They will also likely be the first offered courses whenever that happens in 2022.

As for the ‘pool’, my guess is Jazz will start from scratch. Two years is a long time. Therefore keeping resume updated (are you actively flying? Have you upgraded? Are you flying a Part 705 aircraft?) or submitting a new applicant file for a more qualified candidate will matter when the time comes to start the pool process again. If Big Red is going to start hiring again it means a return to meaningful attrition for Jazz. And while it has become the norm to hire a component from the college programs, Jazz also needs pilots that are upgradeable within 2 years. That means arriving with an ATPL and some meaningful flying experience.