Anyone know if CJ is still hiring?

[Skydweller777]

Anyone have an Idea on the number of pilots CJ needs? If they are even hiring.

[scabbydoo]

Why would you want to at this point?

[imjustlurking]

Why would you want to at this point?

Because they don't keep up to date with the industry news or they're that desperate?

[PostmasterGeneral]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

[Skydweller777]

Why would you want to at this point?

Because they don't keep up to date with the industry news or they're that desperate?

Could be both, but a valid question none the less.

[goldeneagle]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

Probably only applies to those with pending recalls elsewhere. I can understand a company not wanting to invest resources into sim time and whatever else recurrent on the 67 involves when they _know already_ those folks will be leaving long before the next recurrent is due.

[imjustlurking]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

Probably only applies to those with pending recalls elsewhere. I can understand a company not wanting to invest resources into sim time and whatever else recurrent on the 67 involves when they _know already_ those folks will be leaving long before the next recurrent is due.

Sketchy and dick move.

Unifor bargained a f-ing shit collective agreement. Seriously, who agrees to waiving all grievance and arbitration rights? What's the point in having a union if the union has no way to protect you?

It's a good thing that Unifor is gone, but CJ pilots are still stuck with the POS that they agreed to until mid 2023. Until then, all ALPA can do is bitch to the world about the shitty things that CargoJet is doing to undermine aviation safety.

[Throwaway91]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

Probably only applies to those with pending recalls elsewhere. I can understand a company not wanting to invest resources into sim time and whatever else recurrent on the 67 involves when they _know already_ those folks will be leaving long before the next recurrent is due.

Do you think it's okay for a company to terminate employees who are on probation just because they have recall rights at the airlines they're laid off from? They had no problem hiring them, despite knowing that they were laid off from other airlines, but now that some are getting recalled, it justifies laying them all off?

All of those pilots had at least one recurrent already, and with that being said, there's no way to know if they'd be leaving before another recurrent is due or not. That is - if you buy the argument about the recalls at all - there's plenty of reason to believe this was purely a vindictive move to retaliate against an easy target following the pilot's switch from Unifor to ALPA.

Unifor bargained a f-ing shit collective agreement. Seriously, who agrees to waiving all grievance and arbitration rights? What's the point in having a union if the union has no way to protect you?

It's a good thing that Unifor is gone, but CJ pilots are still stuck with the POS that they agreed to until mid 2023. Until then, all ALPA can do is bitch to the world about the shitty things that CargoJet is doing to undermine aviation safety.

Why do you think CJT management threw such a tantrum about the pilots changing unions? Unifor and the previous MEC president were in the company's back pocket. Whatever the company wanted, it was the union's job to coerce the pilot group into accepting with classic "carrot and stick" tactics. Fortunately, the debacle with attempting to get exemptions to the new duty regs finally convinced the pilot group to turf Unifor.

The contract is a nightmare, one of the worst I've ever seen in this industry. Unfortunately ALPA is going to have to spend massive bargaining capital trying to address the many shortcomings of the current contract, it will be very difficult to fight for any improvements given all the things that need to be fixed.

[imjustlurking]

Unifor bargained a f-ing shit collective agreement. Seriously, who agrees to waiving all grievance and arbitration rights? What's the point in having a union if the union has no way to protect you?

It's a good thing that Unifor is gone, but CJ pilots are still stuck with the POS that they agreed to until mid 2023. Until then, all ALPA can do is bitch to the world about the shitty things that CargoJet is doing to undermine aviation safety.

Why do you think CJT management threw such a tantrum about the pilots changing unions? Unifor and the previous MEC president were in the company's back pocket. Whatever the company wanted, it was the union's job to coerce the pilot group into accepting with classic "carrot and stick" tactics. Fortunately, the debacle with attempting to get exemptions to the new duty regs finally convinced the pilot group to turf Unifor.

The contract is a nightmare, one of the worst I've ever seen in this industry. Unfortunately ALPA is going to have to spend massive bargaining capital trying to address the many shortcomings of the current contract, it will be very difficult to fight for any improvements given all the things that need to be fixed.

I trust that ALPA will fix many of the problems plaguing the pilot group at CargoJet.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

Probably only applies to those with pending recalls elsewhere. I can understand a company not wanting to invest resources into sim time and whatever else recurrent on the 67 involves when they _know already_ those folks will be leaving long before the next recurrent is due.

Those guys already had a recurrent. Don't forget they showed up with type ratings already, that probably saved CJ a ton of cash.

[scabbydoo]

Yeah, after the last stunt they pulled, screw CJ. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me. You'd probably only end up lasting 11 months 25 days anyways.

Probably only applies to those with pending recalls elsewhere. I can understand a company not wanting to invest resources into sim time and whatever else recurrent on the 67 involves when they _know already_ those folks will be leaving long before the next recurrent is due.

What a fucked up stance to take. "I'll take 'defending the indefensible for 400".

[YC87DRVR]

The man at the top has always shown he doesn’t care about his employees. Heck in the past he’s used employees Christmas bonus’ to pay athletes six figure appearance fee’s so he can jock sniff. Cause that’s more important to him than his employees using their bonus to provide a good Christmas for their family, but hey they got to meet some athlete they don’t give a rats a$$ about.

[bob99]

Union says Cargojet retaliated against pilots for support

The new union representing pilots at Cargojet on Wednesday filed an unfair labor practice complaint with Canadian authorities alleging that company management violated the law by firing 23 pilots who were in their probationary period while continuing to hire additional cockpit crews.

The terminations came five days after Cargojet (TSX: CJT) pilots voted to join the Air Line Pilots Association, based in Herndon, Virginia, and leave Unifor, Canada’s largest private sector union.

ALPA’s complaint with the Canada Industrial Relations Board asserts that the 23 pilots were let go because they were directly involved in ALPA’s organizing efforts. Many of them were days away from leaving probation and obtaining permanent status. Many had previously been laid off by Air Canada as a result of lost business because of COVID-19 and were told they are not eligible to be rehired with Cargojet.

The union asked the CIRB to order the company to stop violating the law, including any form of discipline for pilots who have demonstrated support for ALPA as the bargaining agent. It also asked that all 23 pilots be reinstated with full compensation.

On Sept. 17, the CIRB certified ALPA as the labor representative for Cargojet’s more-than 300 pilots.

“Normally, we would start a new relationship with the management team by discussing how we can work together collaboratively to advance our mutual objectives going forward. However, Cargojet management wasted no time in demonstrating their unwillingness to be a productive partner in the airline’s success and left us no choice but to fiercely defend the rights of ALPA’s newest pilot group,” said ALPA President Joe DePete.

Cargojet could not be reached before publication.

In May, Unifor said ALPA tried to steal members when it intervened in a dispute with Cargojet over the airline’s alleged effort to weaken Canadian hours-of-service rules that went into effect months earlier. The ALPA involvement occurred as Unifor was engaged in bargaining on a new contract. ALPA insinuated that Unifor wasn’t doing enough to prevent unsafe work conditions.

ALPA said at the time that Cargojet was seeking exemptions from the rules and engaging in intimidation to influence pilots to support the request.

Cargojet operates a domestic overnight network for Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN), DHL (DXE: DPW) and Purolator, with its airplanes also carrying interline traffic from international airlines. It also offers aircraft leasing and international charter service. It has more than two dozen widebody aircraft in its fleet.

“We are astounded by Cargojet’s decision to lay off pilots just prior to the expiration of the probation provisions, while continuing to hire pilots,” said Rob Giguere, chief of the Air Canada Pilots Association. “The most successful airlines over the long-term – from both the safety and profitability perspective – are those who cultivate a relationship of mutual respect – and not fear – with their professional pilots. We call on Cargojet management to work on that basis with its pilot group.”

The ALPA takeover as the bargaining agent for Cargojet pilots comes weeks after the company’s minority investment in 21 Air LLC, a Greensboro, North Carolina, company that operates five Boeing 767 cargo jets. 21 Air provides charter, contract flying and crews to major air cargo consolidators, freight forwarders and express carriers, including Cargojet. The move gives Cargojet greater access to the U.S. market.

https://outline.com/YcW89M

[cva2525]

When CJ laid off the 23 pilots, who did they replace them with? I am guessing they were all flying regularly and thus needed to be replaced.

Cheers.

[imjustlurking]

When CJ laid off the 23 pilots, who did they replace them with? I am guessing they were all flying regularly and thus needed to be replaced.

Cheers.

The last I heard is that CJ is hiring and laid off these pilots while continually hiring new pilots.

[Throwaway91]

When CJ laid off the 23 pilots, who did they replace them with? I am guessing they were all flying regularly and thus needed to be replaced.

Cheers.

The last I heard is that CJ is hiring and laid off these pilots while continually hiring new pilots.

This is correct.

[cva2525]

Thanks for the info.