If only the Airline Industry was this United

[RRJetPilot]

"Funds will be safely held until the organizer is able to provide the documentation to our team about how funds will be properly distributed."

They already hired a lawyer and accounting firm. Funds will be fine. Thanks for posting!

[Inverted2]

Probably be 5 million before the end of the day.
Go Truckers Go!

[imjustlurking]

Well it appears that GoFundMe has frozen the funds for the Truck Convoy.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/truck ... 4ga_XugIq2

I am hearing that it has been unfrozen, but there are no reputable sources that I can find that support this claim.

[7ECA]

Anecdotally, 90% of truckers are vaccinated; which mirrors the Canadian population at large when it comes to vaccination status. We, and I mean truckers, all knew that the variance allowing them to cross the border without being vaccinated was a temporary measure to ensure continued free movement of goods across the border - and yet a very small minority of drivers are now surprised that the variance has ended?

Give me a frucking break.

Evidently "we" no longer believe in majority rule, and are instead supposed to kowtow to a minuscule minority whom want to rant and rave and spout utter bullshit about their "freedoms"; without the basic understanding that in a society all members have the duty to uphold a certain standard of decorum and work collectively for the betterment of all. Mind you, it doesn't come at all as a surprise that this fiercely "independent" separatist idiocy comes from an ass backwards province like Alberta, where the martyr syndrome has become ensconced in the provincial identity. It's pretty laughable that 'Bertans point out the proverbial speck in the eye of Kee-becers, when a very similar "special status" is desired in Wild Rose Country...

[WellThatAgedWell]

We are not surprised. We expect the wort from Trudeau.

Also lots has changed since delta. Omicron is less virulent. Just because a mandate makes sense 3 months ago doesn’t mean it makes sense today. If vaccine mandates are temporary and only if necessary then what is the goalpost set to end them? At what point would you say we don’t need a vaccine mandate?

Don’t you think Trudeau needs to disclose the end game? If he can’t tell us what ends the mandate, don’t even start one to begin with.

Why doesn’t the media ask these questions.

“Mr Trudeau, you said we will only implement vaccines mandates as a last resort. These policies were originally constructed based of the delta wave. Since then omicron has taken over and is described to be like a cold or flu. With the new data, how should policy change? Why do we need more restrictions for truckers today, when we have survived nearly two years without those restrictions? Why is everyone else adapting and changing while you are doubling down on 2021? Why would you wait 6 months to make this mandate, when you apparently could have saved thousands of lives by implementing this policy last august? Did those lives not matter?”

What does the media really do?

“Oh look at these truckers… all grandma killers! You know what we should do… find the one who says the most whacky shit and let’s interview him. Then we will put him on the airways and make these truckers out to be a bunch of plague rat quacks!”

It’s a shame really. No one asks the important questions.

[PRM1]

Anecdotally, 90% of truckers are vaccinated; which mirrors the Canadian population at large when it comes to vaccination status. We, and I mean truckers, all knew that the variance allowing them to cross the border without being vaccinated was a temporary measure to ensure continued free movement of goods across the border - and yet a very small minority of drivers are now surprised that the variance has ended?

Give me a frucking break.

Evidently "we" no longer believe in majority rule, and are instead supposed to kowtow to a minuscule minority whom want to rant and rave and spout utter bullshit about their "freedoms"; without the basic understanding that in a society all members have the duty to uphold a certain standard of decorum and work collectively for the betterment of all. Mind you, it doesn't come at all as a surprise that this fiercely "independent" separatist idiocy comes from an ass backwards province like Alberta, where the martyr syndrome has become ensconced in the provincial identity. It's pretty laughable that 'Bertans point out the proverbial speck in the eye of Kee-becers, when a very similar "special status" is desired in Wild Rose Country...

Amen

[goldeneagle]

We are not surprised. We expect the wort from Trudeau.

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Doesn't surprise me, your first concern is about the beer.

Politician from the Maverick party sets up a gofundme that collects millions from the sheep that haven't read thru the details, also doesn't surprise me. With the amount they have collected, could easily pay all those independent truckers full mileage rates for the trip, but no, that's not how it's going to work. Word on the street, they intend to send money to a fuel wholesaler and keep the difference. Any bets that suddenly the Maverick party is well funded for the next election, and a bunch of truckers are stuck with the fuel bill for a trip across the country ?

Truckers off to Ottawa to protest vaccination requirements coming back into Canada. I guess none of them realize that if they are a Canadian trucker returning to Canada, they are already vaccinated, this we know definitively. How do we know this ? Vaccination is an entry requirement headed south into the US for those folks. But lets not have facts get in the way of a good story used to fleece the sheep.

then we have more wacky politicians tweeting photos of an empty shelf at a grocery store. Look carefully at most of those photos, they have the sale price sticker on the empty shelf. It's a common thing at Superstore, get there later in the day and the shelf with stuff on sale cheap is already cleaned out, wont get re-stocked till the night shift starts after the store closes.

It started out 'all about the spin' and turned into a massive cash grab targetting the illiterate portion of the population that cant read past a headline.

[7ECA]

We are not surprised.

Also lots has changed since delta. Omicron is less virulent. At what point would you say we don’t need a vaccine mandate?

If you have no faith in the political class of today, what are you going to do about it? Have you contacted your elected representatives at the Provincial and Federal levels and asked their views on subjects that concern you? Have you volunteered for the political party most aligned with your views? Are you going to run for office?

I'm not going to argue that the pandemic response Federally hasn't been a rather mixed bag, it absolutely has. Unfortunately as much as the public servants may hold table top exercises and committees will sweat the details on what to do in the event of... all bets are off when something actually happens. There will be a postmortem conducted in the near future, both in Canada and the Provinces as well as more globally; and there will absolutely be failures pointed out. But, it's one thing to say we should have shut down global air travel immediately when a novel SARS like virus was first detected - but, it was likely already too late to stop its spread; let alone the implications of proverbially or literally sealing off a country each time a disease pops up. What country in the world is going to feel comfortable with the idea of raising their hands and saying "hey, something is going on here..." if it results in their being isolated like a leper?

As for your comments vis-a-vis Omicron, the data doesn't seem to necessarily jive with your assertion of it being less virulent. In theory, maybe; but the US just reported a rate of mortality on par with Delta and case counts are significantly higher - which is resulting in easily as many negative outcomes as the previous dominant variant.

I'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large...

[co-joe]

I found it interesting that the Liberal propaganda department tried to lie and say that the protest was against icy roads. Classic.

https://twitter.com/cbcnewsbc/status/14 ... 3874794504

[dhc#]

Yup...

[flyer 1492]

'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large.."

Just out of curiosity, what herd immunity would you suggest?

All the talking heads last year started out saying 50% would be the goal, it quickly moved to 60 then 70 then 80. Now it appears to be 110%. The Federal Government messed this up so bad we will probably never see the end of it. Look after the infirmed and elderly and let everyone go back to work and open all the borders.

[WellThatAgedWell]

'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large.."

Just out of curiosity, what herd immunity would you suggest?

All the talking heads last year started out saying 50% would be the goal, it quickly moved to 60 then 70 then 80. Now it appears to be 110%. The Federal Government messed this up so bad we will probably never see the end of it. Look after the infirmed and elderly and let everyone go back to work and open all the borders.

If you are waiting for herd immunity to end mandates, looks like you will wait the rest of your life. Spanish flu is still here.

Herd immunity is not really a thing. The virus mutates and causes reinfection. What does happen is we build up some immunity through vaccines and natural immunity. However we will still get infected and still spread it. Infection will be mild and is not a concern for the vast majority of people.

Covid policy should end because it’s political, not very effective, has consequences to other areas of our life, and most importantly Covid today is not nearly as virulent as many people think.

In the podcast with Peter Attia a father was concerned about his son (in his 30s) who refused the vaccine. They asked him what he though his chances of death or hospitalization was and his answer was 50 percent. It’s clear many people have a very twisted view fuelled by the media.

So to answer your question about her immunity, IMO the answer is no such thing as herd immunity, but we have reached the point where Covid is very manageable with no policy above and beyond what you would see with flu season policies.

[goldeneagle]

An interesting twist
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/tru ... er-4999296

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Cochrane, please welcome them. They have been advised of parking and restaurant options for the evening. Many if not most, are costing this movement on their own. Thus, if you have a spare bed, room, couch or can give a meal or a shower, please do reach out and help.
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A rep from the Alberta Maverick party got a gofundme going that raised on the order of 5 million dollars. Be curious about where that money is going if it's not going to the truckers as stated in the fund raiser.

Just more fleecing happening from the looks of it.

[strengthinumbers]

In keeping with the strength in numbers and unifying to make voices heard.

I’ve recently heard of another protest happening in the UK, specifically regarding nurses and medical personnel. Roughly 100,000 nurses and medical staff are facing loss of employment if they don’t comply with the February 1 mandate. Staff are organizing and unifying to protest the mandate and threatening to take the leave of absence!

Turns out, when you have a large group of people in key industries who would rather have a choice vs. being forced to comply, they can actually show how much power they actually have.

https://twitter.com/daveswondering/stat ... 52836?s=21


#NHS100K

[mijbil]

I don't believe that Blackface Justin or the incompetent Tam want this to end but for separate reasons.

For Blackface, when this ends then many more people, except for the Liberal faithful sheep, will start to ask financial questions like "where did the money get spent"? and "How many sole source contracts were awarded and how many of those were to Liberal party supporters"? If you thought Chretien was bad with his kickbacks as documented by the Gomery inquiry....wait for it. The billion that was supposed to be doled out the cringe worthy Cheeseburger boys for administering some slush fund that could have as easily been done by the army of bureaucrats in Ottawa was just the opening act. For that they were supposed to get a few million

As for Tam, she was around for SARS in YYZ back in the early 2000's. She SHOULD have had a handle on this from the beginning instead of saying that shutting off flights and all contact from the source country, China, was "racist". She is incompetent....but then again, so is the entire cabinet appointed by black face. Her time in the spotlight is drawing to a close and just like our black-faced drama queen, she is likely coming to enjoy the fawning of the liberal press, especially the vile CBC and doesn't want it to stop. Out here in BC it's the same with Bonnie Henry who is now no longer the 'saint' that some thought she was. When was the last time we heard some solid stats from any of these so-called experts?" The ones I'm referring to are death rate now as compared to 2017,2018,2019. Same question for long term incapacitation. They may squeal that there isn't time to study the long term effects and that may be the case for long term problems like loss of smell, but show us the death stats. This is a coronavirus, same as all the other ones before it. Deal with it. It's clearly NOT the black plague (that's Justin - the black faced plague on our finances). It's not the Spanish flu. Show us the death stats and with those the related age brackets and those with co-morbidities who died....but they don't since it blows their 'narrative' out of the water. Arseholes.

Pity we had to wait for the truckers to show enough smarts to oppose what is now medical tyranny. I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

[Bingo Fuel]

I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

Please educate me. I couldn't find any reference to death by guillotine anywhere in our legal system. I also could not find any crimes in Canada punishable by death.

[Inverted2]

Justin has gone into hiding again. He was diagnosed with Coward-19.

[dhc#]

Yup...

[Old fella]

I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

Please educate me. I couldn't find any reference to death by guillotine anywhere in our legal system. I also could not find any crimes in Canada punishable by death.

Good Christ, I hope some of you dudes are not in command of commercial airliners or any aircraft for that matter flying people around. I am very surprised the moderators are letting the above(guillotine) commentary go through.

[Jet Jockey]

According to the Canadian trucking association, about 85% of truckers are vaccinated... Again a minority will stir up sh!t for no good reason.

The fact is Canada only reacted to the US government's announcement in early October 2021 to require all truckers to be vaccinated to be allowed in the USA.

Tell the truckers to go their tantrum in the USA... Good luck with that because they won't be allowed in.