hithere wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:56 pm
The one thing that has remained constant throughout the pandemic is that the vaccine significantly reduces the probability that one will get seriously ill from the virus. Isn’t that enough of a reason to get vaccinated?
I don’t know why people always run circles around these conversations. The same points come back up.
My response to this is, who are you speaking for?
Are you making this statement for a 19 year old healthy college student? Is this about a 10 year old with cancer? A 40 year old who is obese? A 50 year old athlete? This is very important to define don’t you think? Who is ending up hospitalized with Covid?
The vaccines are very safe, but not with zero risk. There are nearly 300 people (i think it was Canada wide but forget if it was on the Ontario or Canada website) who have died with a link to Covid vaccination and some are posted as “under investigation”. It appears they want to hide the information (or maybe that’s a stretch, but at the very least public health and the media attempt to under represent the vaccines risk and over represent the benefits). Other people have been hospitalized after vaccination. I am really only making this point to say, vaccines are not without risk, and this is important to acknowledge.
By no means am I saying that these risks make the vaccines not worth taking for most people. For most people the vaccines are the right choice. It’s just not my choice to make for other people.
That said for most people the risk benefit made it worth it to get the vaccines… however as time goes on this changes. As time passes natural immunity increases through infection, and the virus is less virulent. If you keep assessing risk benefits, each day that passes it makes vaccines less important to some people each day that passes.
For example, a parent may have said with delta they want to vaccinate their 12 year old. But since omicron is here, maybe that makes less sense for a healthy 12 year old. Maybe you would choose to risk natural infection and immunity as the virus is now less virulent.
Maybe the most important point is this should really just be a personal choice we all make and we should be armed with the facts of the risks and benefits and this should be a discussion with our doctors. Does this help you understand why people might make a choice you disagree with?
I encourage you to listen to Peter attias latest podcast on Covid, maybe that could give you some insight.. One of the doctors said they had antivax listeners who emailed in to say their podcast changed their mind and decided to get a vaccine. Being armed with unbiased information makes people feel empowered to make good choices. Unfortunately our government creates division, fear, and ultimately we all end up losing trust and this manifests groups of people who will be “antivax”.
Edit: so I wanted to link the adverse events data, here is where you can find it
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid ... ne-safety/
Canada wide 269 deaths in the vaccinated, but they don’t make it clear if they can link the death directly to vaccination. This is part of the lack of information that can fuel the fire. Why don’t they finish these investigations and post the data. Why not just be clear about the risk?
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Based on this data an argument could be made that nearly every other day, someone is dying from taking a Covid vaccine in Canada.
Two years of posts that aged like a fine cheddar.