If only the Airline Industry was this United

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Someone on Twitter posted a screenshot of the CTA being an avid liberal donor. So not surprised they came out with a statement all the media is running with. They probably got a call from Butts or Trudeau.
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Butts is losing his mind right now on Twitter. It’s actually quite entertaining.

Starting to see more and more videos of crowds on overpasses as the convoys rolls through. Haven’t felt this proud to be Canadian in a very long time!
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The only thing I'm protesting is that Elon hasn't replaced all those truckers with robots.

Self Driving Trucks don't get Ronaz.
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The grocery store shelves are already starting to empty with fresh foods like fruit that come from south of the border by truck.

If health care workers don't have a mandate why woul dtruckers who work alone except when they grab a meal and communicate briefly when they pick up or drop off a load. Isolation is one of the shitty parts of the job already.
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The narrative on the radio today is that “Freedom is getting your vaccination”

Odd thing to say don’t you think? “You have to get a vaccine to be free”. Why? He says “so the hospitals won’t be over run, etc, and they are filled with unvaccinated”

I’m thinking the hospitals have been over run with old and unhealthy from day one. Without the vaccines, and with it. Is this not the pandemic of unhealthy seniors? Maybe we should shun them so we can get back to normal.

Burn me once…

We were told that distancing was the answer, then masks, then lockdowns, shutdowns, then closing restaurants, then gyms, then vaccines, then boosters. News flash! None of these things provided any level of freedom.
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Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706
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Straight from the CDC regarding Omicron:

Across all age groups, being fully vaccinated yields a 35% protection rate from hospitalization. It's something, but sure not everything.
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DanWEC wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:10 pm Straight from the CDC regarding Omicron:

Across all age groups, being fully vaccinated yields a 35% protection rate from hospitalization. It's something, but sure not everything.
What a waste of energy for people to complain about the antivax. The clear solution seems to be we need hospitals capable of meeting the needs of everyone who is waiting for healthcare.

Unbelievable, people are “letting the system” off the hook. Fix the god damn problem, and stop blaming the field goal kicker for missing the kick when the QB threw four interceptions, the line men allowed three sacks and the Running back had two fumbles.

Does anyone believe getting all the truckers vaccinated solves the problem… fool me once! :lol:

What’s next they will blame the school children and force vaccines on them?
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To be fair, this is regarding Omicron now. It was irrefutably a real lifesaver for Delta and had a much higher rate of protection against a much more virulent strain, but that stage is in the past. It's concerning that these mandates exist now without a justifiable efficacy anymore. It should be an individual choice. We've got to move with the times now and stop dragging this garbage out any longer.
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Also to be fair, people said in the beginning they don’t agree with some restrictions because once you give up your freedoms you may never get them back. They were called conspiracy theories. Now look where we are. People gave up their freedoms to be “all in this together” yet restaurant business owners have been shut down for a third time. Kids are masking in school for nearly two years, will probably still be masking them next fall. People were promised vaccines would save the aviation industry yet they still added travel restrictions in December after all aviation employees and passengers were mandated to be vaccinated.

Was it worth it? Will people just keep doubling down and supporting these policies? Fool me once!

Imagine what it will look like when the next pandemic hits. The trust that people have in our system has been destroyed. This all because they so called experts didn’t take a balanced approach, and our politicians made this all about political moves and not about our health. Next pandemic will be a shit show.
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"Balanced approach"... Definitely the bulls eye there. This administration has made a total meal out of the pandemic and balance hasn't been part of it.
Haven't reacted to the Omicron phase yet, also 2 years in and we haven't done anything to incentivize careers in health care which are so desparately needed, and can someone explain why there are 400 beds worth of portable hospitals mothballed in Ottawa that hadn't been touched in a year, at a $300 million storage fee, while we've locked down again?

This will happen again in our lifetime, and when it does, I doubt the government will be any more prepared.
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flyer 1492 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:01 pm Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706
So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine
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Heck yeah let’s look at the data. How many of those in the non vaccinated stat are under 40 in the ICU? how many are under 20 years old non vax in ICU? All of those people it’s pretty much useless to waste a vaccine on.

If we want to mandate vaccines against a demographic, let’s make it based on science.

Mandatory vaccines for old and unhealthy people. These are the people clogging the icu.

If you are over 65 vaccines should be mandatory
If you are over 40 and obese vaccines should be mandatory

Why are we wasting time with mandatory vax for healthcare worker, trucker, pilots etc. last time I checked the ICUs were not full of pilots, truckers and doctors when we had no vaccines. Saying the unvaccinated are the problem is to simple. The truth is within the non vaccinated there is a subgroup called fat and old and they need to be the ones we call out. Let’s name and shame them. Let’s set up government weigh in clinics and if you come in with an obese BMI we give you the jab and put a special sticker on your health card.

Let’s make the biggest impact. Show us who is filling those ICUs and mandate where it counts! Everyone else go back to normal.
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O’toole is a liberal.

Why are politicians trying to convince us that we need vaccines to have food on shelves? What we need is for them to end the policies that got us here. Two years of this garbage, and looks like the toole is no different than Trudeau.

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imjustlurking wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:14 am There is a big difference between the trucking industry and the aviation industry and why the vast majority of pilots accepted the vaccine with rolled up sleeves.

Generally speaking, pilots are more educated than truckers. We are trained to think critically and are more likely to be able to understand that the collective voice of health care workers, virologists, and other related scientists are more knowledgeable and trustworthy than Tucker Carlson and a little orange man.
Exactly....
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TG wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:07 am
imjustlurking wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:14 am There is a big difference between the trucking industry and the aviation industry and why the vast majority of pilots accepted the vaccine with rolled up sleeves.

Generally speaking, pilots are more educated than truckers. We are trained to think critically and are more likely to be able to understand that the collective voice of health care workers, virologists, and other related scientists are more knowledgeable and trustworthy than Tucker Carlson and a little orange man.
Exactly....
That's actually not in line with the stats at all. It's a good narrative to say it's only dumb people who are anti-vax.

Vaccination rates among truckers are in line with average vaccination rates.

Your religion tries to say it's the dumb who are anti-vaxxers or its Conservatives who are anti vax. That's how you have been conditioned by pastor Trudeau. Keep having your religious thoughts. 🤣

When you are ready for some science you will admit it's fat and old people who need a vaccine. Pastor Trudeau hasn't said it yet.
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C-GGGQ wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
flyer 1492 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:01 pm Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706
So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine
But wasn't the narrative from our so called experts saying that if you had the jab, it would keep you from ending up in the hospital?
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Ok... I'm not "anti-vaxx" in the slightest, but I am totally against 2022 lockdowns, inconsistant and illogical testing requirements and vaccine mandates due to these being symptoms of the administrations' previous and ongoing failures in health care and management, as well as blatantly dictatorial.

Just want to note, the problem with some of the stances here is that they're black and white, and those aren't compatible with epidimiology.
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flyer 1492 wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:23 pm
C-GGGQ wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
flyer 1492 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:01 pm Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706
So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine
But wasn't the narrative from our so called experts saying that if you had the jab, it would keep you from ending up in the hospital?
Yes and as shown. You double your chances of hospitalization if you’re unvaccinated.

And yes 2022 lockdowns are not about covid its about our healthcare system was a house of cards. It has collapsed and they are using covid as an excuse to cover that failure
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Well it appears that GoFundMe has frozen the funds for the Truck Convoy.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/truck ... 4ga_XugIq2
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