UK data showing vaccinated all ages more prone to get Covid

[Aviatard]

The conversation is regarding unvaccinated Canadians and people that question his mandates:

"They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often misogynists, also often racists,” said Trudeau.

Insane that this our PM.

Does he actually want these people to get vaccinated, because his strategy is shit. Sounds more like he is interested in dividing people up and stirring fear and hate.

Do you mean you're in agreement with tolerating misogynists, racists, western separatists and terrorists?

[WellThatAgedWell]

Do you mean you're in agreement with tolerating misogynists, racists, western separatists and terrorists?

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[photofly]

I paraphrase

No kidding.

Here you go then:

The conversation is regarding unvaccinated Canadians and people that question his mandates:

“They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often misogynists, also often racists,” said Trudeau. “It’s a small group that muscles in, and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the country. Do we tolerate these people?”


Meanwhile Trudeau PMO henchman Gerald Butts calls people questioning the narrative "Western separatists" and "terrorists".

Wake up.

Trudeau was referring to people who are “fiercely against”vaccination. Which isn’t all unvaccinated Canadians, by any means, and also not the same as people who question his mandates.

I don’t agree with what he said. But I do think you’re playing the victim card.

I have no idea what Butts was referring to, but he’s not the Prime Minister.

[altiplano]

No kidding.

Here you go then:

The conversation is regarding unvaccinated Canadians and people that question his mandates:

“They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often misogynists, also often racists,” said Trudeau. “It’s a small group that muscles in, and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the country. Do we tolerate these people?”


Meanwhile Trudeau PMO henchman Gerald Butts calls people questioning the narrative "Western separatists" and "terrorists".

Wake up.

Trudeau was referring to people who are “fiercely against”vaccination. Which isn’t all unvaccinated Canadians, by any means, and also not the same as people who question his mandates.

I don’t agree with what he said. But I do think you’re playing the victim card.

I have no idea what Butts was referring to, but he’s not the Prime Minister.

Bullshit I'm playing the victim card. I'm calling out the craziness of it.

I might not play virtue signal identity politics, but I'm not a racist or misogynists, certainly not a terrorist... Western separatism is starting to sound pretty fucking good though.

Butts is deep inner circle PMO playing Trudeau's strings, we've known this for, years, like seriously Trudeau isn't capable of forming much thought on his own beyond "what's for lunch?" and "is it 3 o'clock yet?"

[Inverted2]

Here you go then:

The conversation is regarding unvaccinated Canadians and people that question his mandates:

“They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often misogynists, also often racists,” said Trudeau. “It’s a small group that muscles in, and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the country. Do we tolerate these people?”


Meanwhile Trudeau PMO henchman Gerald Butts calls people questioning the narrative "Western separatists" and "terrorists".

Wake up.

Trudeau was referring to people who are “fiercely against”vaccination. Which isn’t all unvaccinated Canadians, by any means, and also not the same as people who question his mandates.

I don’t agree with what he said. But I do think you’re playing the victim card.

I have no idea what Butts was referring to, but he’s not the Prime Minister.

Bullshit I'm playing the victim card. I'm calling out the craziness of it.

I might not play virtue signal identity politics, but I'm not a racist or misogynists, certainly not a terrorist... Western separatism is starting to sound pretty fucking good though.

Butts is deep inner circle PMO playing Trudeau's strings, we've known this for, years, like seriously Trudeau isn't capable of forming much thought on his own beyond "what's for lunch?" and "is it 3 o'clock yet?"

He’s baked out of his mind half the time. Remember this? What a disgrace.

[altiplano]

He's lying. See how he trips over himself and looks away from the questioner while he tells the lie? Then he moves back to talking points which aren't lies and is able to look at her.

Not to mention the tetra pack container he is talking about is single use and not reusable, the fiber portion of it can be recycled through a costly process, but the approximately 1/3 plastic/aluminium content is destined for single use and the land fill.

You would think he would have a better story.
prepared at least...

[Aviatard]

Insane that this our PM.

Does he actually want these people to get vaccinated, because his strategy is shit. Sounds more like he is interested in dividing people up and stirring fear and hate.

Do you mean you're in agreement with tolerating misogynists, racists, western separatists and terrorists?

Hmm, your idiot king is himself a criminal, racist and sexual assaulter. Kind of weird your defending him by accusing someone else who is unlikely to be those things of supporting those things. What a crazy and sad sad society Canada has become.

How about a tax on those people who vote liberal. That’s would be worth pursuing. Oh wait…

You’re very easily triggered. Do you think counseling would be good for you, little snowflake?

[Vaticinator]

The vaccines reduce hospitalizations by between 70% and 90% for Omicron, which is pretty good.

70-90% reduction from what baseline and for whom? 20 year old athletes? Hypertensive, obese 60 year olds?

[TG]

The vaccines reduce hospitalizations by between 70% and 90% for Omicron, which is pretty good.

70-90% reduction from what baseline and for whom? 20 year old athletes? Hypertensive, obese 60 year olds?

That's a pretty abject comment disguised as a question you're making there.
And FOD on mushroom calling Trudeau a "criminal, racist and sexual assaulter" !!? m-p letters are not written as d-e-a-u
Not to forget Montado, I mean CaptPoop...No, WellThatAgedWell or is it jonmom? Hard to keep up with his multiple disorder personality.

At least Altiplano, you had a valid come back:

Would you ask a crew to throw their check list out the window during an engine fire?

Interestingly enough, that's exactly what the Trudeau Government and their Technocrats did.

They had a playbook for a Corona virus pandemic developed in 2006 for the Federal Government, including involvement from Tam herself.

They threw it all out the window and what we got was very different.

But my point was that the government didn't sit on its hands doing nothing. They did something, whatever it was they did something! they followed some sort of a check list just not one you were expecting. Actually, you and the likes wanted nothing done to indispose your life.
-No lockdown
-No restrictions
-No masks
-No vaccination
-etc...
Nothing! Because nothing is working!---> It's an assertion on what's going straight from sitting in row 32 of an Air Canada flight.
Air Canada yes! Not some bogus airline in Congo crewed by drunken Russians on a clapped out An12 in which you seems to believe we are in. If that was the case, I would question their actions as well. Everyone would!

I'm in that same cabin, if anything I would probably obstruct so better sit tight and follow the orders for a proper evacuation at the end.



Disclaimer: I do not approve of all political decisions from our current Canadian administration.
This Air Canada analogy will go way above Montado, I mean CaptPoop, no WellThatAgedWell, no jonmom's head(s)

[CpnCrunch]

The vaccines reduce hospitalizations by between 70% and 90% for Omicron, which is pretty good.

70-90% reduction from what baseline and for whom? 20 year old athletes? Hypertensive, obese 60 year olds?

Compared to unvaxxed.

[Vaticinator]

Yes of course, but a 20 year old is already at a reduced risk of hospitalization versus a 70 year old just based on their age alone. And a 40 year old with a healthy body fat percentage is already at a reduced risk versus an obese 40 year old. Furthermore, it has been shown that some lifestyle choices and health issues reduce the amount of neutralizing antibodies post vaccination, likely making the vaccines less effective. So is that 70-90% reduction across the board, for all possible cohorts? Or is that best case scenario?

[altiplano]

That's the problem. There is no baseline. At this point this is just supposition based on juked numbers put out by biased stakeholders.

Let's keep some perspective here, 99.9%+ of generally healthy people will not have adverse events - vaccinated or not. Omicron has a reduced virulence more akin to other coronaviruses that circulate in our world every year ie. a cold.

The consequences of the paths we have taken in this country will affect our society far beyond the end of this pandemic. Economically, socially, developmentally, healthwise, and more.

I'm not saying "do nothing" but what we did was worse than nothing as it didn't make a difference, marginalized millions, divided society, betrayed Canadian values, and still record numbers 2 years later.

[CpnCrunch]

Yes of course, but a 20 year old is already at a reduced risk of hospitalization versus a 70 year old just based on their age alone. And a 40 year old with a healthy body fat percentage is already at a reduced risk versus an obese 40 year old. Furthermore, it has been shown that some lifestyle choices and health issues reduce the amount of neutralizing antibodies post vaccination, likely making the vaccines less effective. So is that 70-90% reduction across the board, for all possible cohorts? Or is that best case scenario?

Im sure that info is available if youre really interested, which i know yore not.

[photofly]

Let's keep some perspective here, 99.9%+ of generally healthy people will not have adverse events

I care a lot for some unhealthy people. Why are you leaving them out of your consideration?

- vaccinated or not. Omicron has a reduced virulence more akin to other coronaviruses that circulate in our world every year ie. a cold.

Disputed: Not many people die of a cold.

but what we did was worse than nothing

Disputed.

as it didn't make a difference

Disputed.

marginalized millions

Disputed.

divided society

It takes two sides to divide. I don't see you doing a lot of healing of divisions.

betrayed Canadian values

Canadian values are something everyone claims as their own, especially if they can blame someone else for betraying them. I don't see your version of Canadian values as having any special significance, to be honest.

[Vaticinator]

Im sure that info is available if youre really interested, which i know yore not.

OK, well I just figured that, since you've made a big scene in the past and been very rude about demanding proper fact checking, checking sources, only presenting the most recent, updated data, et cetera, you would have pulled your numbers from somewhere that provided the necessary context and might have that handy to share.

[CpnCrunch]

Im sure that info is available if youre really interested, which i know yore not.

OK, well I just figured that, since you've made a big scene in the past and been very rude about demanding proper fact checking, checking sources, only presenting the most recent, updated data, et cetera, you would have pulled your numbers from somewhere that provided the necessary context and might have that handy to share.

Nah, I can't be bothered doing all the scientific legwork around here for no pay. Why should I care if you get a vaccine anyway?

[WellThatAgedWell]

Let's keep some perspective here, 99.9%+ of generally healthy people will not have adverse events

I care a lot for some unhealthy people. Why are you leaving them out of your consideration?

I think we all care about someone who is at risk to covid. The best thing we can do is protect them. Economic outcomes are a great predictor of health. Protecting people from covid doesn't mean at all cost.

We should take science based approaches. Ya know like n95 masks. Vaccines for the most vulnerable, boosters for the most vulnerable.

Saying you want to protect people you know from covid and you think the answer is vaccinate all truckers... Or vaccinate all kids... Mask all kids in school... These are just radical ineffective ideas you manifest. Why not focus on what works?

[photofly]

Let's keep some perspective here, 99.9%+ of generally healthy people will not have adverse events

I care a lot for some unhealthy people. Why are you leaving them out of your consideration?

I think we all care about someone who is at risk to covid. The best thing we can do is protect them. Economic outcomes are a great predictor of health. Protecting people from covid doesn't mean at all cost.

We should take science based approaches. Ya know like n95 masks. Vaccines for the most vulnerable, boosters for the most vulnerable.

Saying you want to protect people you know from covid and you think the answer is vaccinate all truckers... Or vaccinate all kids... Mask all kids in school... These are just radical ineffective ideas you manifest. Why not focus on what works?

I don't think the answer is "vaccinate all truckers" - and to be honest you haven't asked nor have I given you my opinion on that, on vaccinating children, or any other specific measures. But wrapped up in your comment are assumption about what "works", what's "radial", and what's "ineffective". Those are things people disagree on.

[Vaticinator]

Why should I care if you get a vaccine anyway?

That was my question all along. Finally, we agree.

[altiplano]

Let's keep some perspective here, 99.9%+ of generally healthy people will not have adverse events

I care a lot for some unhealthy people. Why are you leaving them out of your consideration?

- vaccinated or not. Omicron has a reduced virulence more akin to other coronaviruses that circulate in our world every year ie. a cold.

Disputed: Not many people die of a cold.

but what we did was worse than nothing

Disputed.

as it didn't make a difference

Disputed.

marginalized millions

Disputed.

divided society

It takes two sides to divide. I don't see you doing a lot of healing of divisions.

betrayed Canadian values

Canadian values are something everyone claims as their own, especially if they can blame someone else for betraying them. I don't see your version of Canadian values as having any special significance, to be honest.

"Disputed, disputed" - with what? The fact is you dispute it with nothing because it's true, look beyond your front door.

And absolutely respiratory infections kill people every year, and we know that over half of covid deaths are in fact people that died with covid, not from it, the studies and reports are out there.

A good starting point for Canadian values is in the Charter, and they've been trampled by the provinces and feds.

Easy to say two sides when you're the midwit taking satisfaction and cheering for more boots to get layed into those already beaten down.

This country is out of step with reality and people like you are the problem.