ARE WE LOSING THE RIGHT TO PROTEST?

[rookiepilot]

This is todays message from the FreedomConvoy Gofund me page.

Seems different than the media links I shared.

“The Freedom Convoy has inspired truckers from across Canada, the United States, and now the world. The Freedom Convoy to Canberra is one example and has already started in Australia. Their GoFundMe campaign has already raised $63,569. To support their fight in taking back their freedoms, please click here to donate!
Some of the most influential, intelligent, and rational world industrious leaders like Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and others, have repeatedly expressed their support for Canadian truckers and the working people who are fed up with our global leaders infringing on our rights and freedoms.

However, we cannot achieve our goals if there are threats or acts of violence. This movement is a peaceful protest and we do not condone any acts of violence, etc.

We live in a world where the pervasiveness of the internet and instant global communication gives more power to words and ideas than any physical weapon - making it a powerful tool that can be used against tyranny and authoritarianism. This is why they censor us and why we must remain peaceful no matter the cost.

We already know there will be activists working at the behest of global authoritarians and think tanks to sabotage our movement. Because of this, we must have a zero-tolerance approach to aggressive behaviour and violence. Please remain calm and loving to one another.

We cannot stress enough how important it is for everyone to do the following:
1. DO NOT enter any government building or government property under any circumstances.
2. Treat all police officers with respect. Front line police officers are already under significant pressure from powerful politicized individuals and local politicians. They are our fellow Canadians, and the police in regions like Peel defended us when they refused to enforce Doug Ford's draconian Covid restrictions on citizens last year. Please do not put front line officers in a difficult position. Always be respectful, even if they issue you a citation. Just know that most of them are doing so under duress.

3. Keep calm. If you see individuals attempting to bait other truckers and attendees into conflict, report them to the police and our staff, or look to others around you to help with de-escalation. Sometimes it merely requires one calm head in a group to temper us all. Don't hesitate to be the negotiator!

4. Do not make any type of threat. Threats lead to escalation, which could lead to violence. Please do your absolute best to stifle any aggressive rhetoric. As you know, the legacy media will be present and will use this as ammunition against our movement. Their business model is built on a strategy of destroying reputations. Do not help them profit from destroying your reputation.

If we keep calm and show love and support for one another, many things will happen. We will eventually cause the government to reverse its policy on Covid passports and vaccine mandates as the UK has recently done. We will meet new friends, develop relationships, and there will likely be people who meet during this peaceful protest and fall in love and build a life together. Let's not sacrifice such a bright future for all of us by loosing our temper.

This is the first step in a long journey to a new golden age of freedom and understanding for one another. Let's build that future together.

There will be a follow up press release after the leaders of the Convoy For Freedom arrive in Ottawa, outlining the date and time for our press conference.

Be good and love one another.

Sending much love and positive vibes to you all!”

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I don’t see January 6 Insurrection here.

Shame on the media.

[kevind]

All of that is good to see....except the the conspiracy theory stuff.

[7ECA]

To the question the thread title asks; not at all. I'm not aware of any examples*, throughout the numerous recent protests, in which there has been a concerted effort to suppress or shutdown protesting or gatherings - even when there would be justifications under the various public health orders or Emergencies Act(s) around large gatherings, etc.

For example, the rather idiotic protests that took place outside of hospitals, ambulance stations, etc., in BC in 2021; were not stopped or suppressed by police. Rather, the crowds were occasionally pushed somewhat to move so as to stop the restricted access to healthcare facilities - which was almost always completely unsuccessful. If you want an example of the abject stupidity that occurred, look no further than the video of the ambulance having to be escorted through an angry crowd in Vancouver with a police escort, while attempting to respond to a code 3 call...

As for the truckers, the concern (that I have, as well as others) beyond the fact that the fundraising seems to be largely a grift to fill the coffers of yet another fringe party... is that while there was at the nascent stage a single unifying message/purpose (ending the vaccine mandate for cross boarder trucking), there no longer is any sort of cohesive message strategy - seemingly beyond disrupting traffic. The concerns raised are valid, in the sense that this "movement" has attracted more than its fair share of hangers-on, whom are espousing some pretty serious anti-government, freeman on the land-esque, radical views. Now, it's hardly surprising that in this day and age that this sort of thing is occurring - having fringe groups tag along or join the crowd; but it is concerning given the rhetoric some of these individuals have used.

While the apparent "leader" of the convoy has said they do not espouse any threatening, radical, or anti-government views; they're hardly speaking for everyone who's latched onto this so-called movement.

There's already been more than a few commenters online whom are openly calling for the building of a gallows on the lawn of the Parliament buildings, and that any politician whom doesn't support their agenda will be swiftly dealt with. The same goes for the people whom are saying that if the government/senate/governor general do not act to end the mandate, they'll be forced to resign and some new government of the people will take over - that's openly seditious and likely treasonous as well.

In the end, though, it does seem a tad silly to be heading to Parliament on a weekend... in addition to the fact that the US Federal Government was the first to propose and enact a mandate for cross boarder truckers, and the Canadian Federal Government simply followed suit. Go protest in Washington DC; if you can get across the boarder, that is.

*Actually, that's not at all true. While the right-wing protests around vaccines, COVID, etc., were allowed to freely occur (including the absolutely horrendous protests that occurred on Remembrance Day) numerous left-wing protests have been stifled and broken up (and continue to be broken up); including the old growth logging protests at Fairy Creek, the Coastal Gas Link pipeline protests in Northern BC, etc. But hey, there's a double standard, right?

[pelmet]

*Actually, that's not at all true. While the right-wing protests around vaccines, COVID, etc., were allowed to freely occur (including the absolutely horrendous protests that occurred on Remembrance Day) numerous left-wing protests have been stifled and broken up (and continue to be broken up); including the old growth logging protests at Fairy Creek, the Coastal Gas Link pipeline protests in Northern BC, etc. But hey, there's a double standard, right?

One of the biggest lies from the political left is how the anti-vax movement is right wing politically.

One need only look at what one might call the head of the anti-vax snake who was in the news the other day………RFK junior, beloved Democrat with these progressive credentials….

“ For decades, Kennedy, son to former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and nephew to President John F. Kennedy, was known for his work in environmental law, suing corporations on behalf of Indigenous groups and other individuals, and vocally opposing dependency on fossil fuels.”

Read how he made news this past week:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/25/ente ... index.html

Meanwhile, the man the left love to blame for the anti-vax movement says things like this…….

"Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get (Covid), it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine.”

Donald Trump

[rookiepilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/t ... -1.6331679

“Downtown shoppers, hotel guests steer clear of 'frustrating' protest”

I think its time to call in the army…….

“The Parliamentary Protective Service expects as many as 10,000 protesters to be in attendance today.”

“The national flag is flying from some vehicles, or draped around the shoulders of some protestors, many of whom appear to be unmasked.”

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/national-new ... ll-5007356

Horrors. Violent Anarchism!

We need to be masked now? Outside in -30? Seriously?

And people wonder why no one trusts the media?

“Some are carrying copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms”.

We can’t allow that. Tear gas them.


Bottom line:

The event is peaceful and Ottawa police say there are no incidents to report.


Won't hear any of our esteemed leaders saying this in an interview.


Lets add this up:


Political leaders and the media have overtly said this protest is full of homophobic, terrorist, racist and hate speech promoters.

The protest has many carrying Canadian flags and the charter of rights and freedoms.

Therefore, if you go anywhere carrying those 2 items….you are now a homophobic misogynistic racist.

According to the media and our leaders.

[rookiepilot]

Premier of Saskatchewan has joined Trudeau’s “fringe minority”.

Will Trudeau call out the premier for being a homophobic misogynistic racist now?

I’m being obnoxious to make my point loud and clear. You can’t do that as PM. Just can’t.


https://twitter.com/PremierScottMoe/sta ... 5102871554

[altiplano]

the fundraising seems to be largely a grift to fill the coffers of yet another fringe party...

They have said that contributions will go directly to fund fuel expenses and on the ground costs borne by participants and any unused contributions will be donated to a veterans charity.

Organizers had to submit a detailed plan to GoFundMe before any funds would be released.

[pelmet]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/t ... -1.6331679

“Downtown shoppers, hotel guests steer clear of 'frustrating' protest”

I think its time to call in the army…….

“The Parliamentary Protective Service expects as many as 10,000 protesters to be in attendance today.”

“The national flag is flying from some vehicles, or draped around the shoulders of some protestors, many of whom appear to be unmasked.”

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/national-new ... ll-5007356

Horrors. Violent Anarchism!

We need to be masked now? Outside in -30? Seriously?

And people wonder why no one trusts the media?

“Some are carrying copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms”.

We can’t allow that. Tear gas them.


Bottom line:

The event is peaceful and Ottawa police say there are no incidents to report.


Won't hear any of our esteemed leaders saying this in an interview.


Lets add this up:


Political leaders and the media have overtly said this protest is full of homophobic, terrorist, racist and hate speech promoters.

The protest has many carrying Canadian flags and the charter of rights and freedoms.

Therefore, if you go anywhere carrying those 2 items….you are now a homophobic misogynistic racist.

According to the media and our leaders.

Welcome to the world of the fake news. I say that as someone in strong support of getting vaccines as you have seen on this forum.

This is the same thing any conservative has had to deal with for years on a variety of subjects, including how you were born. And it gets worse every year.

I think the average American may be waking up to it but am not confident of that in Canada.

Your future………medical care including transplants by race. Don’t believe me after seeing the vaccine rollout in Canada, you can read about its increase here.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/if-youre- ... l-you/amp/


Think about that next time you vote. Oh yeah, remember that you are a racist if you oppose it.

[7ECA]

One of the biggest lies from the political left is how the anti-vax movement is right wing politically.

RFK junior….

It does tend to be a movement that skews largely right, towards the more Libertarian/Freeman on the land-esque side of the political spectrum - and that's certainly the side that gets more press, as they are significantly better organized and funded. I'd certainly never argue that there aren't Left-wing individuals and groups on the other side protesting similarly, because there absolutely are; but they are nowhere near as large nor as well organized as their counterparts on the opposite end of the political spectrum; and you know that pelmet.

RFK Jr., is a nutcase and has been for years. No one is going to argue otherwise, other than people whom latch on to the de jour comment of the day as their own personal gospel. I mean, did you hear the batshit crazy stuff he was ranting on about GPS/microchips/Bill Gates and the Holocaust? He's unhinged. But, he's far from the first person to use a "revered" family name to gain notoriety and peddle their BS - not that I'm saying the Kennedy name or family is angelic by any means, far from it...

But, please explain how RFK Jr., or the majority of anti-vaccine or anti-mandate protests being right-wing in nature, have anything to due with left-wing protests about old growth logging or anti-pipeline protests on a rural reserve being met by massive police responses?

[pelmet]

One of the biggest lies from the political left is how the anti-vax movement is right wing politically.

RFK junior….

But, please explain how RFK Jr., or the majority of anti-vaccine or anti-mandate protests being right-wing in nature, have anything to due with left-wing protests about old growth logging or anti-pipeline protests on a rural reserve being met by massive police responses?

I’m simply pointing out the lie put forward by liberals that the anti-vax movement is a right wing movement period. They may have a higher percentage, although I haven’t seen any polls but when Trump is recommending to get your vaccine and RFK jr is saying how dangerous it is, it proves me right.

[7ECA]

I’m simply pointing out the lie put forward by liberals that the anti-vax movement is a right wing movement period. They may have a higher percentage, although I haven’t seen any polls but when Trump is recommending to get your vaccine and RFK jr is saying how dangerous it is, it proves me right.

Painting with a broad brush an entire movement is certainly disingenuous, but so is failing to point out changing messages from certain high profile individuals.

They're both nuts, but on different parts of the spectrum. The danger comes from those whom latch on to any of the nonsense peddled by whichever demagogue they feel like listening to, instead of allowing for rapid and ever changing information and considering nuance rather than dogma when it comes to decision making.

But, your (and that's the royal your) health is yours and yours alone. As the saying goes, your rights are absolutely inalienable until they begin to infringe upon mine...

[rookiepilot]

Has the insurrection Trudeau is in his bunker waiting for, and promised by Singh will happen, started?

Canada is the laughing stock of the world. Winston Churchill our leaders are not.

Let me know when it starts. Watching the Raptors.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said he is “concerned by extremist elements that are spreading misinformation and attempting to turn the convoy into a Canadian version of the terrorist attacks on the U.S. Capitol,” in a statement released Thursday.

Liberals:

But the event we're looking at this weekend is not what it appears. Several members of this group are connected to militant racist, sexist, and homophobic groups. Their statements and placards promote xenophobia. They are not here to only raise voices against vaccination mandates, but to also fuel hatred against the very fabric of our society.

[7ECA]

I watched a few minutes of coverage, and saw some objectionable signage - and let's remember that the TV news isn't going to broadcast much of the really disgusting signage. People screaming at reporters, telling them they should be ashamed of themselves, etc., not much of a surprise to hear that from certain demographics by any means.

I'm pretty appalled by the sight of people who decided to park on the War Memorial, and those who thought it was okay to slap signs up on the Terry Fox statue as well. Give your head a shake FFS.

[pelmet]

I watched a few minutes of coverage, and saw some objectionable signage - and let's remember that the TV news isn't going to broadcast much of the really disgusting signage. People screaming at reporters, telling them they should be ashamed of themselves, etc., not much of a surprise to hear that from certain demographics by any means.

I'm pretty appalled by the sight of people who decided to park on the War Memorial, and those who thought it was okay to slap signs up on the Terry Fox statue as well. Give your head a shake FFS.

Wondering if you hold the same views while watching radical terrorist leftists destroying public property and burning down churches this passed summer? Also, don’t recall your comments of pro- mandate radicals defacing war memorials on remembrance day.

Exactly. When that happens……it is an isolated incident(perhaps understandable due to the past) as opposed to the same people using an isolated incident as a an intentional broad brush.

Folks, you should be very scared of how these people are being treated by the left, including their fake, unprofessional media propaganda machines.

These protesters are a group of people whose agenda I oppose(meaning I say get your vaccine) and whose method I oppose(meaning don’t block traffic).

But the intentional racism, violence, and whatever other narrative used against them is going to be used against anyone else who protests against the policies of the left, whether it is climate change policies or opposition to the increasing amount of government mandated health care/career opportunities by race.

Don’t like it, you are a white supremecist.

[Bingo Fuel]

One of the biggest lies from the political left is how the anti-vax movement is right wing politically.

Better make sure these right wing politicians know they're being manipulated by the left.

https://twitter.com/BrettBartMuse/statu ... c00nVz8xiQ

[complexintentions]

Has the insurrection Trudeau is in his bunker waiting for, and promised by Singh will happen, started?

Canada is the laughing stock of the world. Winston Churchill our leaders are not.

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[rookiepilot]

Know what’s disgusting?

How many professional pilots I read here that are angry about the restrictions Canada has placed on travel.

Affecting your livelihoods— unless you’re retired with that fat AC pension.

Too many of you here are like that. “I’m retired, I’m comfortable, don’t protest in my city cause you’re working and struggling during a pandemic”

But blue collar trucker trash dare protest?

Can’t allow that.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Inverted2]

Why is the left so triggered about a flag on the Terry Fox statue when they said nothing about the countless statues destroyed by leftists last year? People have short memories.

[northernpilot2]

I don’t see January 6 Insurrection here.

Shame on the media.

pelmet is probably disappointed. He/she is probably hoping for a January 6 Insurrection.

[pelmet]

I don’t see January 6 Insurrection here.

Shame on the media.

pelmet is probably disappointed. He/she is probably hoping for a January 6 Insurrection.

Actually, as time goes by, I am more and more hoping for arrests to clear them out. Go back to work and stop by the vaccine clinic on the way.