1/2 page ad
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1/2 page ad
How much would it cost for all of us to put a 1/2 page ad in the National Post or Globe and Mail explaning to the flying public what the lower levels of the industry go through how much they are paid etc... I'm thinkin' we should all kick in a few bucks for a " What the Flying Public Should Know " ad? any advice? We as owners of West Jet etc... (I haven't even applied so don't start with the rejection theory)
Are we there yet?
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Hickory Stick
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What page do you want to put that add on? Opposite the comics? Do you really think you'll get any sympathy from the public for being dumb enough to work for free?
And what do you expect people to do? Rally around the cause and protest outside 703 operators hangars telling them that they have to start paying more?
And what do you expect people to do? Rally around the cause and protest outside 703 operators hangars telling them that they have to start paying more?
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monkeyspankmasterflex
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Maybe we form a union with the Screen Actors Guild. Who doesn't sympathize with out-of-work actors.
It would be nice if everyone were able to get a job after completing their training. I do feel for those who are working for peanuts under the pressure of $x amount of debt, however, the workings of the industry should not have come as a surprise to anyone.
It would be nice if everyone were able to get a job after completing their training. I do feel for those who are working for peanuts under the pressure of $x amount of debt, however, the workings of the industry should not have come as a surprise to anyone.
Every profession I can think of has associations or guilds (not unions,very different) No one would think of hiring an engineer that wasn't accredited by s.a.e. or another apropriate association,I beleive insurance adjusters legaly require to belong to such organizations. Doctors, lawyers, accoutants, concillors,therapists and many more all require some sort of accreditation on top of their schooling to be able to practse their chosen proffesions. That is why other industries get respect not because the goverment or the public felt bad for them. They stood up and demanded it and held their peers responsible to uphold a certain level of profesionalism.
The other day I picked up a truck drivers mag to read in the coffee shop I couldn't beleive the articles in it, those guys demand way more respect from their employers than we do and if someone even thought about working for free they'd be linched.
The other day I picked up a truck drivers mag to read in the coffee shop I couldn't beleive the articles in it, those guys demand way more respect from their employers than we do and if someone even thought about working for free they'd be linched.
Re: 1/2 page ad
U/S wrote: We as owners of West Jet etc... (I haven't even applied so don't start with the rejection theory)
I see you are a long time reader of this forum 
Great idea...I like the passion...however, it will fail for 3 reasons.
1. The public don't give a rats ass about you and me as paid professionals as long as they can travel from YYZ to Rio de Janero for $99.
2. Unfortunately...there are more cowards in this industry than I can stomach...and NO ONE would ever staple their name to that ad. NO ONE will ever be the spokesperson for any follow up to the movement in order to bring a legit claim to the issue. NO ONE!
and 3. Aviation professionals are just too cheap to fork over 25 'ginos' to pay for an ad in the majors.
CAL wrote: U/S if the add was done professionally and conveyed the rightmessage you can count on me for a healthy donation.
not a bad idea dont listen to these guys they obviously have it good or take it lying down nothing wrong with having a voice and standing up for it.
Where was your voice a year ago to promote CAAP-APAC when these were some of the issues on the table?
A voice of the grass roots pilot. A movement with some strong ideas and good people but it fizzled out because there was no strength from within aviation professionals community to keep the momentum of this great idea called CAAP-APAC rolling.
Where was your voice?
If you want to donate a large sum...then I suggest you make the check out to CAAP-APAC. The people behind the idea still linger on these forums.
Thankss for the reply and thanks for asking.
http://www.caap-apac.ca/
It's been very inactive because interest fizzled.
The site is owned by avcanada-Joe.
Only 121 members have signed up.
http://www.caap-apac.ca/
It's been very inactive because interest fizzled.
The site is owned by avcanada-Joe.
Only 121 members have signed up.
Maybe the ad could be posted by caap-apac with the cash coming from the posters from this and other sites.
What do you need to get things fired up again Birddog? donations, time, interest? I'm surprised so few signed up. In my view its exactly what the industry needs. I'm going to post another topic with the link attached, maybe you've tried a bunch of times already but what the hell whats one more!
What do you need to get things fired up again Birddog? donations, time, interest? I'm surprised so few signed up. In my view its exactly what the industry needs. I'm going to post another topic with the link attached, maybe you've tried a bunch of times already but what the hell whats one more!
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I tend to agree with those who say "what would this accomplish?"
Ask an articling lawyer or a med student intern (who's making $25k after 8yrs of university) how much sympathy they have for someone else at the bottom ranks of an industry. Unfortunate and frustrating, but I don't think many people would give a rat's ass.
Ask an articling lawyer or a med student intern (who's making $25k after 8yrs of university) how much sympathy they have for someone else at the bottom ranks of an industry. Unfortunate and frustrating, but I don't think many people would give a rat's ass.
I dont think the article would be targeting Lawyers or Doctors....typically speaking, you can argue this if you want....but lawyers and doctors are doing far better salary wise than pilots.....just a hunch but I think I'm right....
The reason why they article and intern is because they know that in 5 years its going to be much better...
The reason why they article and intern is because they know that in 5 years its going to be much better...
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TorontoGuy
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The ad would look like all the rest of those pages that end up on the bottom of the bird cage. I think most of the public would just tell you to change professions if you don't like it.
Putting money into aviation is like wiping before you poop....it just don't make sense!
Yes and no to all the above...
For people living in major centers who do not rely on small outfits like CMA and all the little guys, sure, most would probably show some surprise and then forget about it 10 seconds later.
However, for people in more remote locations who have to rely on small companies to get from A to B, I think it would be an issue.
I personally would never put my hands in the life of someone making close to minimum wage or less, and I suspect a lot of customers would think twice before putting their lives in the hands of individuals whose value is so low that they make peanuts.
Would you undergo surgery and put your life in the hands of a doctor who made $22,000 year?
I sure as hell wouldn't -just the thought of that makes me feel uneasy.
And before you say the FO doesn't count, I'm sorry the FO can still crash the plane too.
For people living in major centers who do not rely on small outfits like CMA and all the little guys, sure, most would probably show some surprise and then forget about it 10 seconds later.
However, for people in more remote locations who have to rely on small companies to get from A to B, I think it would be an issue.
I personally would never put my hands in the life of someone making close to minimum wage or less, and I suspect a lot of customers would think twice before putting their lives in the hands of individuals whose value is so low that they make peanuts.
Would you undergo surgery and put your life in the hands of a doctor who made $22,000 year?
I sure as hell wouldn't -just the thought of that makes me feel uneasy.
And before you say the FO doesn't count, I'm sorry the FO can still crash the plane too.
Life's a Bitch, and then you work in Canadian Aviation
The only "good" ad would be one that said/stated/implied the following.TorontoGuy wrote:so what exactly is it that you think the public should know. If there's any news value in it, I might be able to interest a reporter. I know a few at the papers and in radio and tv. News coverage (if there's a story) would save you the $$$.
No Retirements happening
No 50k pay
No Airline job after training
30000 Licenses 4000 jobs
That means you have more pilots then work(dumby)
Save your 30k
You need to cut a blow to the instructing business, you need the FTU's to go broke, and stop training these peons...
Once you curtail training and "recruitment" it will balance itself out...
ROFL, Canadian doctors make way way less then US doctors so you're suggesting our doctors are useless farts?Would you undergo surgery and put your life in the hands of a doctor who made $22,000 year?
I sure as hell wouldn't -just the thought of that makes me feel uneasy
oh and PS.
They are, they're all subsidized by OHIP or whatever your province has, and guess what, some of them would be out in the street if it wasnt' for OHIP/whatever...
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