Athletes speak up

[JerryRig]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

[Aviatard]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

Hahah irrefutable evidence of bullshit

[broken_slinky]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

Oh, let's start taking our medical advice from athletes and celebrities. Those scientists and doctors are obviously ignorant.

[JerryRig]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

Oh, let's start taking our medical advice from athletes and celebrities. Those scientists and doctors are obviously ignorant.

Actually it’s worse. They KNOW the harm, but their Collage is threatening their licence if they speak up, therefore complicit. Others have sacrificed their careers to warn others, but you won’t give them the respect they deserve.

[JerryRig]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

Hahah irrefutable evidence of bullshit

Prove them wrong. I read the initial test results, did you? These are not safe.

[Aviatard]

https://www.fromrome.info/2022/02/14/th ... athvaxxes/

Hahah irrefutable evidence of bullshit

Prove them wrong. I read the initial test results, did you? These are not safe.

That’s not how anything works. If you make assertions it’s up to you to prove them correct, not the other way around. If you’re going to challenge a scientific consensus you’d better have expertise in that area and bring your A game for evidence.

What are your qualifications for reading and interpreting scientific papers? I have none so I leave that up to experts and not some random YouTube poster.

[JerryRig]

Hahah irrefutable evidence of bullshit

Prove them wrong. I read the initial test results, did you? These are not safe.

That’s not how anything works. If you make assertions it’s up to you to prove them correct, not the other way around. If you’re going to challenge a scientific consensus you’d better have expertise in that area and bring your A game for evidence.

What are your qualifications for reading and interpreting scientific papers? I have none so I leave that up to experts and not some random YouTube poster.

If you are going to leave your health, security and bodily autonomy to someone only motivated by money, greed and power, you are putting yourself at risk. They don’t give a shit about your well-being. These are psychopaths. But that’s your choice. It’s not my choice. AND THAT is what Is at stake right now.

[Aviatard]

Prove them wrong. I read the initial test results, did you? These are not safe.

That’s not how anything works. If you make assertions it’s up to you to prove them correct, not the other way around. If you’re going to challenge a scientific consensus you’d better have expertise in that area and bring your A game for evidence.

What are your qualifications for reading and interpreting scientific papers? I have none so I leave that up to experts and not some random YouTube poster.

If you are going to leave your health, security and bodily autonomy to someone only motivated by money, greed and power, you are putting yourself at risk. They don’t give a shit about your well-being. These are psychopaths. But that’s your choice. It’s not my choice. AND THAT is what Is at stake right now.

So you have no qualifications. You’re just Dunning Krugerng your way through life as an unemployed pilot.

[JerryRig]

Read for yourselves. You can read, can’t you? A report from a world renowned doctor.

avaccinereport.pdf

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[Aviatard]

Read for yourselves. You can read, can’t you? A report from a world renowned doctor.

avaccinereport.pdf

I know this is going to be a waste of time but ok let’s have a look at your report. First who wrote it? It says David John Sorensen (Apparently not a doctor of any kind) and Dr Vladimir Zelenko MD (So not a virologist, or a statistician but a Medical Doctor). Hmm. This already looks suspicious but let’s press on. Who is Dr Zelenko?

Well he has reviews from his practice. Seems he’s prescribing ivermectin to treat Covid. What else can we learn about Dr Vlad?

Ut oh: he’s promoting quick cures for Covid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html

Oh no he’s wrongly claiming FDA approvals:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... g.amp.html

Tsk tsk spreading disinformation about infection rates:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timeso ... ed-it/amp/

Now who would have guessed he’s an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy buff:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forward.co ... eo/%3Fgamp

Apparently he also sells some kind of vitamin treatment for Covid (because grifters gotta grift) but it’s bullshit:

https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/z-s ... -immunity/

And all that’s before I even read more than one line of your “study”. This “doctor” has no qualifications to make these claims. He’s selling miracle cures to dunces like you. This is pure shit. As are all of your wackadoodle claims. Why did I even bother. Get your life in order.

[JerryRig]

Read for yourselves. You can read, can’t you? A report from a world renowned doctor.

avaccinereport.pdf

I know this is going to be a waste of time but ok let’s have a look at your report. First who wrote it? It says David John Sorensen (Apparently not a doctor of any kind) and Dr Vladimir Zelenko MD (So not a virologist, or a statistician but a Medical Doctor). Hmm. This already looks suspicious but let’s press on. Who is Dr Zelenko?

Well he has reviews from his practice. Seems he’s prescribing ivermectin to treat Covid. What else can we learn about Dr Vlad?

Ut oh: he’s promoting quick cures for Covid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html

Oh no he’s wrongly claiming FDA approvals:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... g.amp.html

Tsk tsk spreading disinformation about infection rates:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timeso ... ed-it/amp/

Now who would have guessed he’s an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy buff:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forward.co ... eo/%3Fgamp

Apparently he also sells some kind of vitamin treatment for Covid (because grifters gotta grift) but it’s bullshit:

https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/z-s ... -immunity/

And all that’s before I even read more than one line of your “study”. This “doctor” has no qualifications to make these claims. He’s selling miracle cures to dunces like you. This is pure shit. As are all of your wackadoodle claims. Why did I even bother. Get your life in order.

I find it humorous how you use sources such as google because THEY don't EVER influence search results...
AND you couldn't post the actual article your result was pointing to.
And for your doctor qualification claim, citation please.

[JerryRig]

OK naysayers. Here it is: the initial and only Pfizer trials. Most of you are unable to read or interpret the results as you've admitted. So I will just point out to you that there are 33-36% adverse reactions and deaths from these trials, but they went ahead and forced them on the entire world population anyway. Let that sink in. One third of you, if you hadn't already reacted, may suffer some sort of reaction in the near or distant future. that is all....

[7ECA]

The last census pegged the Canadian population at just shy of 37 million, and assuming roughly 90% vaccination (and just for the ease of the math we'll assume everyone got a nip of the Pfizer) that would mean 33,300,000 people are vaccinated - and you're trying to say that of those people roughly 11,090,000 are going to die or be severely affected by the vaccine?

Yeah... I call absolute, complete, and total bullshit.

Funny, of everyone I know the majority have had Pfizer as it was more commonly available - although a handful of people got AstraZeneca as a first dose to get a dose - and of them the most heinous reaction of all was a bit of tenderness at the injection site and maybe feeling a little off for a day. On the other hand, I know a number of people whom have died as a result of contracting COVID-19.

[photofly]

I had an adverse reaction, so put me down as one of the 33%. My arm was sore for a day.

[TG]

I see where delusional Jerryrig/Russian troll farm is going:
Yearly excess mortality rate from the last two years will now be attributed to vaccination death. Nothing Covid related.
This excess is probably not an excess anymore (Due to vaccination efficacy duh!) So something else will have to be found to feed his cognitive deficiency.

Waiting to see what it will be

[JerryRig]

The last census pegged the Canadian population at just shy of 37 million, and assuming roughly 90% vaccination (and just for the ease of the math we'll assume everyone got a nip of the Pfizer) that would mean 33,300,000 people are vaccinated - and you're trying to say that of those people roughly 11,090,000 are going to die or be severely affected by the vaccine?

Yeah... I call absolute, complete, and total bullshit.

Funny, of everyone I know the majority have had Pfizer as it was more commonly available - although a handful of people got AstraZeneca as a first dose to get a dose - and of them the most heinous reaction of all was a bit of tenderness at the injection site and maybe feeling a little off for a day. On the other hand, I know a number of people whom have died as a result of contracting COVID-19.

Not defending anything from either side of the argument. But contrary to your personal experience with COVID, I don’t know anyone who passed due to COVID. On the other hand, myself included, I know many who have had troubling reportable adverse reactions to the vaccine. Despite this I do not speak out against the vaccines, only the mandates. The treatments were effective, may remain effective for those at significant risk, but, long term effects remain to be determined. It would be prudent to continue to be aware of side effects as time goes forward.

Thank you FOD. THIS is exactly what I’m saying, but with emphasis to this audience with regard to their medical authenticity. There is clearly a political game being played without regard to personal choice of safety. Yet I’m being bashed on what I thought was a professional forum, but

[TG]

Not defending anything from either side of the argument. But contrary to your personal experience with COVID, I don’t know anyone who passed due to COVID. On the other hand, myself included, I know many who have had troubling reportable adverse reactions to the vaccine. Despite this I do not speak out against the vaccines, only the mandates. The treatments were effective, may remain effective for those at significant risk, but, long term effects remain to be determined. It would be prudent to continue to be aware of side effects as time goes forward.

Last time I lost a friend from a road accident was in 1988. Nobody since, no hard car crash but plenty of fender benders not hurting anyone. Maybe we should stop all this nonsense road/car safety rules!? Do that sound silly? It does yes.
Covid's mandates are (Soon to be called "were") Safety rules against it. That's probably why you don't know of anyone who passed out of Covid.

Personally I do and before you ask: Last summer, Mid-40's, Mediterranean diet, no known comorbidity unless being Anti-vax count as one (Not kidding)

[Aviatard]

Read for yourselves. You can read, can’t you? A report from a world renowned doctor.

avaccinereport.pdf

I know this is going to be a waste of time but ok let’s have a look at your report. First who wrote it? It says David John Sorensen (Apparently not a doctor of any kind) and Dr Vladimir Zelenko MD (So not a virologist, or a statistician but a Medical Doctor). Hmm. This already looks suspicious but let’s press on. Who is Dr Zelenko?

Well he has reviews from his practice. Seems he’s prescribing ivermectin to treat Covid. What else can we learn about Dr Vlad?

Ut oh: he’s promoting quick cures for Covid:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html

Oh no he’s wrongly claiming FDA approvals:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... g.amp.html

Tsk tsk spreading disinformation about infection rates:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timeso ... ed-it/amp/

Now who would have guessed he’s an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy buff:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forward.co ... eo/%3Fgamp

Apparently he also sells some kind of vitamin treatment for Covid (because grifters gotta grift) but it’s bullshit:

https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/z-s ... -immunity/

And all that’s before I even read more than one line of your “study”. This “doctor” has no qualifications to make these claims. He’s selling miracle cures to dunces like you. This is pure shit. As are all of your wackadoodle claims. Why did I even bother. Get your life in order.

I find it humorous how you use sources such as google because THEY don't EVER influence search results...
AND you couldn't post the actual article your result was pointing to.
And for your doctor qualification claim, citation please.

Ok since you don't accept google results, then lets take a quick look at duckduckgo:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Dr+Vladimir+Z ... =h_&ia=web

Yep, he's selling quack cures:
https://zstack.vladimirzelenkomd.com/products/z-stack

Still spreading disinformation about infection rates:
https://timesofisrael.com/jewish-md-who ... ts/z-stack

He says vaccines cause AIDS (LOL):
https://www.handsforhealthandfreedom.or ... r-zelenko/

Still falsely claiming FDA approval:
https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/doctor-wh ... community/

I don't know what you mean about posting the actual article. The links are there and clickable.

This entire "report" is bullshit, as are all of your claims about vaccines.

[mmm..bacon]

Agreed.
Unqualified people shouldn’t be in positions of influence. Kind of like… a certain snow board instructor… a certain journalist… we could go on.

or an insurance salesman, an economist for an organization that never had to show a profit, or an apparatchik who's never had a real job outside of Parliament...

[JerryRig]

I’m still blown away by the heartless bastards on this forum that refuse to acknowledge these