Dunk Course for Floatplane Pilots

[hamstandard]

Is it true that all pilots flying floats commercially have to have taken the underwater egress course starting this season. If so, are all the companies going to be able to get their pilots the proper training in time?

[PilotDAR]

I think very highly of underwater egress training, let alone being fun, it may save your life one day, it did mine. Jump at the opportunity to take this training.

Prior to taking the training, I had twice had to swim into inverted floatplanes, and found it amazingly disorienting, everything was in the wrong place - and I'd entered relaxed and with noting in motion nor rushed. When I took the egress course, I thought I'd ace it based upon my experience. I passed it adequately, after a few retakes....

[Maynard]

Is it true that all pilots flying floats commercially have to have taken the underwater egress course starting this season. If so, are all the companies going to be able to get their pilots the proper training in time?

It’s been known for a long time so no excuse to not have them trained in time. COM amendment was also due just recently for it.

[Hot Wings]

Is it true that all pilots flying floats commercially have to have taken the underwater egress course starting this season. If so, are all the companies going to be able to get their pilots the proper training in time?

It’s been known for a long time so no excuse to not have them trained in time. COM amendment was also due just recently for it.

Exactly. No excuses.

I’ve never had a real upset, but during the egress course I was shocked at how disoriented I was once they overturned the “cockpit”.

[C-FDPB]

I did the dunk course and would highly recommend. Knowing how to orient yourself, likely inverted, and the steps to take there after are invaluable. The thing to take away from the pool course setting is that when this training is likely to come in to play is when water still has ice around the shore. Some things to keep in mind are that the water may be quite tea coloured and a couple degrees above 0 when you become inverted. Always keep that in the back of your head. None the less great training to prepare you for the worst case scenario.

[185_guy]

I’m gonna play devils advocate here….
I have done ‘the course’ several times and believe me, I learned a lot, after the first one about 12 years ago I’ve worn a ‘mustang’ style life jacket while flying floatplanes.
But….
Has TC ‘approved’ any of these courses? Sure there’s a list of required training but anyone could do it in their bath tub and print a certificate. And if it’s required training, why do I need to sign a waiver before I get into the pool. If someone is saying we have to do this, why is there still a release of liability from the provider? I don’t recall ever signing anything like that to do flight training of any kind.
Again, I’ve done various egress courses several times and believe it to be valuable training. Mandatory? Not sure about that, and the life jacket thing, well let’s see where that is in 20 years when people still drown inside the inverted cabin, with an inflated life jacket (cause they have not been trained, only briefed and people are people and will panic and keep being people no matter what you tell them)

[photofly]

And if it’s required training, why do I need to sign a waiver before I get into the pool. If someone is saying we have to do this, why is there still a release of liability from the provider?

It's only mandatory if you want to keep your job. Nor does the provider care either way if you do, or don't want to do the training, they just want their ducks in a row if they get sued by your estate.

[digits_]

And if it’s required training, why do I need to sign a waiver before I get into the pool. If someone is saying we have to do this, why is there still a release of liability from the provider? I don’t recall ever signing anything like that to do flight training of any kind.

Pretty sure every FTU student signs something similar. I think you even sign something at FlightSafety etc, in case you get epileptic seizures from the visuals or get crushed in the sim or something. Maybe I should actually read the paperwork next time

[TG]

I’ve never had a real upset, but during the egress course I was shocked at how disoriented I was once they overturned the “cockpit”.

That's one of the reason you are supposed to keep your eyes closed during the egress. This and saving your eyes from being burned by possible fuel leak or else (Which would get you even more disoriented)


I recall one time when they switched off all lights to stop "cheaters"

[sunk]

I’ve been after Transport Canada to give me a list of approved courses. They sent me who offers course, and that’s it. Not sure how they can mandate this while having no one company certified to teach it.

[louis_grenier]

http://www.cqfa.ca/pro/index.php?id=58&lng=An

[sunk]

Yes there is options, but I don’t see any that are certified by TC.

[ami6car]

Hi All

"Yes there is options, but I don’t see any that are certified by TC."

For training other than acquiring a new license or a new rating, certifying training in Canada is the chief pilot's responsibility, not the Minister. Courses such as High Altitude Training, CFIT, Surface Contamination, Underwater Egress, etc, whether developed in-house or contracted out, are assessed by the chief pilot and listed in the company training manual.

Jean LaRoche
CQFA - Montreal

[8675309]

Anyone else heard that TC pushed the deadline for the course back to 2023?

[Vern]

Anyone else heard that TC pushed the deadline for the course back to 2023?

The regulation took effect in February. It's already required...

[Axial Flow]

It has been pushed back until March 6 2023...

[Vern]

It has been pushed back until March 6 2023...

Where are you getting this info?

Edit: Yeah you are right

[Maynard]

It has been pushed back until March 6 2023...

Where are you getting this info?

Edit: Yeah you are right

Any verbage confirming that?

[PilotDAR]

It has been pushed back until March 6 2023...

This risk of drowning hasn't, go take the course. It was a factor in my being alive now.