Spamming AVCANADA with the same job postings won’t get you any more candidates for your positions than the mass carpet bombing inboxes increases prospects for applicants.
If your positions are going unfilled, they don’t pay enough.
End of story.
Dear HR Departments:
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schnitzel2k3
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CL-Skadoo!
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172DDriver
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
Bob is making some strong points here. We like Bob.
Re: Dear HR Departments:
Can we add: post the pay rate. If it says competitive compensation it isn’t. Why are you hiding it?
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CL-Skadoo!
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
Our company has one of the best pay rates in the country and I am forbidden to share it. Go figure.
Re: Dear HR Departments:
Can you tell us where you work?CL-Skadoo! wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:56 pmOur company has one of the best pay rates in the country and I am forbidden to share it. Go figure.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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FOD_Vacuum
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
‘Bob’ needs to work for my union. May it be a lesson for all operators who post ads on repeat: inflation alone is the reason to pay more; the pilots deserve it.
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PeterParker
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
Probably an impossible ask but maybe we should get the admin to not allow posts without pay scales in the jobs forum? One can dream!
+1 to OP. It’s not a dearth of jobs. It is a dearth of jobs that pay a liveable wage.
+1 to OP. It’s not a dearth of jobs. It is a dearth of jobs that pay a liveable wage.
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DaisyMaker
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
One of the most recent ads doesn’t even include a way to apply 
. No email or anything. Along with no location, no company name, no expected schedule, and no pay range. And doesn’t list the airplane types either. 
How can people even apply when there’s no application information provided? Not that I’m interested…
. No email or anything. Along with no location, no company name, no expected schedule, and no pay range. And doesn’t list the airplane types either. 
How can people even apply when there’s no application information provided? Not that I’m interested…
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North Shore
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
But, but, but,....."Nobody wants to work anymore!"PeterParker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:18 pm Probably an impossible ask but maybe we should get the admin to not allow posts without pay scales in the jobs forum? One can dream!
+1 to OP. It’s not a dearth of jobs. It is a dearth of jobs that pay a liveable wage.
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
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PeterParker
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Re: Dear HR Departments:
Man, this forum needs a like button!North Shore wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:21 pmBut, but, but,....."Nobody wants to work anymore!"PeterParker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:18 pm Probably an impossible ask but maybe we should get the admin to not allow posts without pay scales in the jobs forum? One can dream!
+1 to OP. It’s not a dearth of jobs. It is a dearth of jobs that pay a liveable wage.
Re: Dear HR Departments:
Let me understand this.
You want to see the pay scale so you can decide if you want to apply.
Demand AvCan to require it.
Is that what is referred to as entitlement?
Of course employers should post that. And none of the 200 hour wonders who think they should be starting at $100 k with 12 duty days a month will comment or criticize.
To be serious for a moment.
If you are qualified, and interested , apply. I am sure that working conditions and pay will be discussed.
I think the most important thing for an employer is to have a pay grid. The whole ‘we will pay you want we can negotiate’, is the fastest way for an employer to cause dissent.
Nothing likeLuke the Lazy making 50% more a month then harry hard worker.
Particularly small companies where the owners sometimes think that you are taking money right out their pockets….not putting it in.
In any event. No sane employer will listen to the demands of the entitled
You want to see the pay scale so you can decide if you want to apply.
Demand AvCan to require it.
Is that what is referred to as entitlement?
Of course employers should post that. And none of the 200 hour wonders who think they should be starting at $100 k with 12 duty days a month will comment or criticize.
To be serious for a moment.
If you are qualified, and interested , apply. I am sure that working conditions and pay will be discussed.
I think the most important thing for an employer is to have a pay grid. The whole ‘we will pay you want we can negotiate’, is the fastest way for an employer to cause dissent.
Nothing likeLuke the Lazy making 50% more a month then harry hard worker.
Particularly small companies where the owners sometimes think that you are taking money right out their pockets….not putting it in.
In any event. No sane employer will listen to the demands of the entitled
Accident speculation:
Those that post don’t know. Those that know don’t post
Those that post don’t know. Those that know don’t post
Re: Dear HR Departments:
Goes both ways in this market.
You expect me to leave my high paying job up north (because nobody else meets your experience requirements) but you don't even want to mention your salary range in the ad? You want me to take time out of my day and share all my personal info for a job that likely won't pay enough to interest me anyway?
Talk about entitlement
I honestly don't get why employers don't share a salary range. It would save both parties so much time.
You expect me to leave my high paying job up north (because nobody else meets your experience requirements) but you don't even want to mention your salary range in the ad? You want me to take time out of my day and share all my personal info for a job that likely won't pay enough to interest me anyway?
Talk about entitlement
I honestly don't get why employers don't share a salary range. It would save both parties so much time.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: Dear HR Departments:
It’s entirely correct and reasonable not to post the pay scale. No company wants their competitors to know what they pay, any more than they would advertise how much they pay to rent their hangar, their fuel contract price or any other commercially sensitive information.
Second reason: anyone who is encouraged to leave a job only because they see another has a higher salary is not the kind of employee any employer wants. Yes, every employer understands the desire to better one’s self, but if it’s true on the way in it’s true on the way out, too. So if what is not said in a job ad discourages the wrong sort of candidate from applying - it’s a good ad.
If you want to work somewhere, apply, and discuss salary terms.
Second reason: anyone who is encouraged to leave a job only because they see another has a higher salary is not the kind of employee any employer wants. Yes, every employer understands the desire to better one’s self, but if it’s true on the way in it’s true on the way out, too. So if what is not said in a job ad discourages the wrong sort of candidate from applying - it’s a good ad.
If you want to work somewhere, apply, and discuss salary terms.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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