Did we get it wrong then or are we doing it wrong now?

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Should we have mandatory masks?

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Did we get it wrong then or are we doing it wrong now?

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Trying to understand the science on this. Doug Ford dropped mask mandates when Covid has been worse than previous months. Did the politicians have it wrong before, or are they doing it wrong now? What data did they use to determine masking was no longer important, We are worse off with Covid currently than most of last year.
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It all began to fail when Covid19 moved from being a public health issue to a poltical points agenda.
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It's all been an exercise in obedience and compliance for the masses, and punishment for those that don't make the covid-virtue cut.

Masks, shots, boosters, passports, mandates, restrictions, curfews, emergency law, and more and then all the science of convenience, flip flopping, and hypocrisy to go along with it. It never added up, it was all political convenience.

Covid- who?

I've moved on with my life... I'm not going back. Every advanced country has...

Covid-zero disciples still complaining in this country should lock their doors, order some Uber-eats, cue up the Netflix, and live the life they want.
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At least people are seeing through the BS now. Over inflated stats, “vaccines” that don’t work - most cases are in those with triple booster sauce. It’s all political. Other than in the airport I haven’t wore a mask in 3 weeks and am not going back. Quebec has a higher vaccination rate and still has masks and they have the highest rate of the coof in Canada. :rolleyes:
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My take on all this political confusion is that it is not confusing at all.

Consider this...
Regardless of your personal views on masks, vaccines etc, the fact remains that the aim of a public health intervention is about herd health and not individual health.
We are at a stage where a good percentage of the population has been vaccinated and the severity of new infections is not as dire, as the virus is mutating towards long term longevity, much like the Influenza virus.

Politicians have finally woken up to the fact that the only way to top up the remaining recalcitrant percentage towards herd immunity is to open things up and let the unvaccinated get out there and get infected.
Those new infectees will likely not suffer as severe consequences and the hospitals will not be overrun as happened at the beginning of this pandemic.

Pretty simple strategy, if you ask me.

Wait for a surge in infections in the short term and, a gradual end to the pandemic in the next few months, likely by August.
We may well get a surge in the fall "flu season" but it should be all over by early New Year.

All you diehard uninfected and unvaccinated, listen up... it is time for you to do your civic duty and go out and eat, drink, dance and be merry till the wee hours and...dont be afraid to mingle at large indoor gatherings.
The Herd will thank you for it.
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https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-s-mayo ... -1.5854701

"We've got to kill this virus once and for all, and we can't do it if we take away some of the tools that doctors tell us are the most effective tools keeping us safe," A retard said.
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Castorero wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:21 pm My take on all this political confusion is that it is not confusing at all.

Consider this...
Regardless of your personal views on masks, vaccines etc, the fact remains that the aim of a public health intervention is about herd health and not individual health.
We are at a stage where a good percentage of the population has been vaccinated and the severity of new infections is not as dire, as the virus is mutating towards long term longevity, much like the Influenza virus.

Politicians have finally woken up to the fact that the only way to top up the remaining recalcitrant percentage towards herd immunity is to open things up and let the unvaccinated get out there and get infected.
Those new infectees will likely not suffer as severe consequences and the hospitals will not be overrun as happened at the beginning of this pandemic.

Pretty simple strategy, if you ask me.

Wait for a surge in infections in the short term and, a gradual end to the pandemic in the next few months, likely by August.
We may well get a surge in the fall "flu season" but it should be all over by early New Year.

All you diehard uninfected and unvaccinated, listen up... it is time for you to do your civic duty and go out and eat, drink, dance and be merry till the wee hours and...dont be afraid to mingle at large indoor gatherings.
The Herd will thank you for it.
Bang On!
Probably too hard to fathom for an antivaxer.
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It's always been about health care capacity and managing that.

Nothing has changed.
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They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed. Arguing about masks which do nothing unless they are fitted N95. Pushing 4th vaccines that do nothing against the current variant.

Wait for the fall. There will be a new super duper contagious, deadly variant and we’ll be in lockdown again and you all will be lining up for booster jab #6 by then. Dr Tam will tell you why you have to stay home for Christmas, Justin will say that it’s unsafe to travel and it won’t be allowed and Doug Ford will say it’s just “2 weeks to flatten the curve”.
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https://twitter.com/AndreiManko/status/ ... 1232424966

Quebec ain’t representing so well with masking.
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WellThatAgedWell wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:36 am https://twitter.com/AndreiManko/status/ ... 1232424966

Quebec ain’t representing so well with masking.
LOL. In that thread, the tapwater tested positive for the Coof. In Africa, fruits and farm animals tested positive also. Follow tHe sCIEncE!!
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:06 am They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed.
Bottom line right there. No new significant medical facilities, upgrades, hiring, or incentives...nothing. Only a pharmaceutical and massive antisocial response. If we really look at it, they knew back in 2009 with H1N1 that they lacked medical facilities, so really they've had over a decade to sort out the weaknesses. They didn't want to protect people, they simply wanted to lock you in and shoot you full of chemicals. We're under the rule of hostile ultra-leftists empowered with international funding. Those supplying the funding want the restrictions--it isn't Trudeau's or any other "leader's" idea--it's handed down from international banking. These funds are for paying off the NGOs to squash you, not improve our national healthcare system.

altiplano wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:39 am Covid-zero disciples still complaining in this country should lock their doors, order some Uber-eats, cue up the Netflix, and live the life they want.
These "disciples" are the antisocials that the system has already broken. It's safe to say that they likely have no family (atomized from an early age), no children, thus nothing to really drive them to live normally. Their activities revolve around their trained anti-reproductive stance, which is state-funded and provided at an early age. It's not the life they want, per se, it's the life that the ultra-leftist state wants for them--Living individually and ultra-insulated in a bubble with internet and a sleeping pod. Every aspect of their lives is managed by an app. This includes eating, sleeping, discourse, and sociopolitical thought. They are individualized in daily life, but they are inundated with and engage in state-provided (NGO is the state now) groupthink. They bray on and on about saving lives while living on a continent which performs 1 million pre (and most recently, post)-birth terminations per year in an industrial manner. To them, this type of death is considered a right, while they support suspension of long-standing rights in favour of arbitrary emergency powers. The only thing that I can like from all of is this, and I realize the hypocrisy---These goons won't reproduce.
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ReserveTank wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:09 am The only thing that I can like from all of is this, and I realize the hypocrisy---These goons won't reproduce.
And you like that because… political opinions are a heritable trait?
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Inverted2 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:06 am They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed.
You and your gang would be the first ones complaining about taxes being horrendously raised to finance that.
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TG wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:38 pm
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:06 am They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed.
You and your gang would be the first ones complaining about taxes being horrendously raised to finance that.
I think that’s a huge misunderstanding. People don’t mind paying taxes for effective use of their money, they do mind when it’s wasted.

Money is power, and keeping the money in your hand gives you choice. As soon as your money goes into the tax pool you no longer have the power of choice. Nearly every example of publicly funded services is grossly inefficient and wasteful. Programs for homeless people where they spend more than median income per homeless person yet no solutions are made and people are on the streets. Hospitals that have 10x the spending on administrative staff than other countries. Politicians that order 9 doses of vaccine for their population.

Heck yeah I want less spending on most government services. Spend less on the waste and more on what we actually need. Unfortunately the only real solution for the out of control spending is to have less taxes, less gov services and more money in peoples hands to make choices on how they want their money spent.
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How is this possible! We didn’t implement mandatory masking. This must be Doug Ford hiding Covid cases because of the election. There’s no way Covid cases can decline without masking! 😂
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TG wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:38 pm
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:06 am They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed.
You and your gang would be the first ones complaining about taxes being horrendously raised to finance that.
I wouldn’t complain if it actually went to healthcare. I do complain when I see the hospital CEOs and board of directors making $250k up to over a million dollars a year though.
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WellThatAgedWell wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:13 am
TG wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:38 pm
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:06 am They had a full 2 years to fix the healthcare system and nothing’s changed.
You and your gang would be the first ones complaining about taxes being horrendously raised to finance that.
I think that’s a huge misunderstanding. People don’t mind paying taxes for effective use of their money, they do mind when it’s wasted.
May the Lord preserve us from people who “know” what other people mind and don’t mind.
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Save your prayers for any time you have to deal with government funded organizations 😂.

How many pilots have been waiting months for medical sign off, unable to fly because of paperwork?

Covid was really hard on TC. They must have spent all their time and resources sitting at the table discussing mask policy and gave up on the admin required to keep pilots flying.
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