How much is this dysfunction costing us?

[crashpadcommute]

With the YUL & YVR base chairs showing there is no limit of what they will do to push ACPA into dysfunction for their personal relationships with the company, how much money have they already cost the membership & how much are they going to cost members in the future?

2024 is rapidly approaching. This plays right into the company's hands.

Just brutal

[Winnikegger]

Dan & Blake will cost the membership hundreds of millions if they are around in 2024

Their names are stained all over the place of pushing sub par contracts when times are good & concessions when there is the stability of a 10 year deal

If they were your financial advisor they would quite literally tell you to buy high and sell low to maximize commissions for the stock exchange.

Worst of it is they would still argue they think this is for the best despite all the data of everyone else you know making way more

[Fanblade]

With the YUL & YVR base chairs showing there is no limit of what they will do to push ACPA into dysfunction for their personal relationships with the company, how much money have they already cost the membership & how much are they going to cost members in the future?

2024 is rapidly approaching. This plays right into the company's hands.

Just brutal

How much has it cost?

Far more already than most of us realize. If you start taking our wages from 2000 -2003 and inflation adjust them to today? You will get a cost alright.

This isn't new for ACPA. The tactics maybe but not the undercurrent.

ACPA has a 15 year history now of having MEC members who get elected and then do whatever they want. They don't seek membership input at all. The constitution and good governance mean nothing to them unless it is part of handcuffing someone else.

TA1 was exactly that way in 2012. 6 MEC members banded together to drive that contract. Even the other 5 didn't know what they were up to. That brought us

4 year Flat salary.
End of DB pension
Pay cuts for FOs and RPs
Rouge

Believe it or not at least 1 supporter of TA1 is still on the MEC. Surprised he is involved yet again in ignoring the will of the membership?

The ALPA push in 2018. Sabotaged.

Cargo was the same. Negotiated by a few individuals. Dissenters got silenced within ACPA. Actually a few spoke out and got sanctioned.

Currently. A few MEC members are banding together in an attempt to void last falls elections and keep control away from membership direction.

What you are watching is ACPA's true colors. There is no democracy here. There is no membership control or input. They are just illusions.

None of this will change without a fight. If you believe ACPA and as an extension AC would just willing give up their golden yellow union? You are sadly mistaken.

In the end the membership will prevail. But only after a fight. No one is going to relinquish control willingly. Its ACPA.

[aeronauticaldisaster]

The company definitely doesn't want their buddy chairs to go anywhere. Years of a cozy relationship building would be lost.

It's a pretty good deal for everyone involved.

Chair gets full displacement to sit at home to work backroom deals with the company. Company gets control of the local union and can make sure any deal is to their benefit.

Chair then just ignores the "trouble maker" members that see what should be happening but then makes sure company helps him with "capturing" any good news and gets credit.

The whole time the members have no clue what a performing organization would be able to do because they just accept their fate as being "lucky" to "have a job" at the "NHL".

This is all while every other flag carrier watches us lead this country's industry into the tank with ULCCs now making more.

Disaster

[Fanblade]

The company definitely doesn't want their buddy chairs to go anywhere. Years of a cozy relationship building would be lost.

It's a pretty good deal for everyone involved.

Chair gets full displacement to sit at home to work backroom deals with the company. Company gets control of the local union and can make sure any deal is to their benefit.

Chair then just ignores the "trouble maker" members that see what should be happening but then makes sure company helps him with "capturing" any good news and gets credit.

The whole time the members have no clue what a performing organization would be able to do because they just accept their fate as being "lucky" to "have a job" at the "NHL".

This is all while every other flag carrier watches us lead this country's industry into the tank with ULCCs now making more.

Disaster

Yes. Until.......people wake up.

Then a revolution starts.

Currently some of those with a stake in the game want the membership put back to sleep.

[ZBBYLW]

It's probably a high bar to get DC or JF recalled in YUL, but maybe there is a chance in YVR, 2/3rd is a tough line to cross however if done properly with many furloughed guys back on strength maybe the membership could recall BM or QJ?

[Fanblade]

They are attempting to effectively void last falls elections.

The only real consequences for them will be at ballot time when their term is up. A recall is next to impossible.

This is what happens when you are in a union without proper oversight. People do whatever they please. It’s happened before and will happen again. They take process and wield it as a weapon. And they have had many years to fine tune their skill.

Worse? Normally this kind of behaviour is consequence free.

Normally they operate under cover of blanket NDA’s. Normally no one has a clue what behaviour transpired at election time.

I’m sure they are pissed that this is even in the open. I’d watch for retaliation from them if they figure out who the whistleblower is.

They will be looking.

[altiplano]

What a bunch of cunts.

[eurotrash]

Wasn't Murphy the one that took 82 hrs while he pushed the 55 hrs Covid agreement on the pilot group?

[MontrealCanucks]

Wasn't Murphy the one that took 82 hrs while he pushed the 55 hrs Covid agreement on the pilot group?

Yes and Comeau was the one calling my buddy a "Dipshit" while saying if we didn't take a paycut that Transat was going to do our cargo contract

Hard to imagine worse leadership

[Fanblade]

It’s not just the leadership.

Ask yourself. What is wrong with our governance if this type of control fiasco can happen over and over again.

TA1 was basically about taking control away from the full MEC. A group of like minded individuals simply did what they wanted without proper input or MEC oversight. It was massively rejected by the membership and we ended up in FOS as a result.

FOS. Our governance review pointed clearly at the MEC’s lack of oversight in the process and loss of control. In this case the MEC gave control to the negotiating committee.

Now we have a minority group attempting to upend democracy and take control.

How often does ACPA have to show each and everyone of us that we can not adequately govern ourselves. We spend multiple years and lots of $ trying to correct this. It’s had no effect with the exception ACPA has become increasingly non transparent.

Even if this childish episode gets cleaned up before it turns into another ACPA goat——-. Remember that it did happen yet again. Not just who did it.

We have bread a culture that doesn’t respect governance or democracy. It doesn’t matter what processes or governance that is created in that environment. If they won’t follow it? None of it matters.

As I just reread my post a thought came to mind. A quote from rudder. Let’s see if I can dig it out.

I have to wonder if ALPA really wants anything to do with the AC pilots. 25 years of infighting, anarchy, and representational dysfunction and counting…

He is spot on.

Of course the opposition to good solid representation knows this as well. For them chaos is a go to.

[flyingfool]

Wasn't Murphy the one that took 82 hrs while he pushed the 55 hrs Covid agreement on the pilot group?

Yes and Comeau was the one calling my buddy a "Dipshit" while saying if we didn't take a paycut that Transat was going to do our cargo contract

Hard to imagine worse leadership

Don't forget "poor Dan" who ok'd his vice doing VOLUNTEER Overtime to fly to a Union meeting with his own members furloughed because he felt it was beneath him to sit in the back while Commuters & RPs do it daily

Unbelievable these are guys are getting full displacement to make decisions on a pilot group's behalf. Nuts

[dumpsterfire]

Does anyone know what members pay for that office in Vancouver and how often the chair is even there?

Seems everytime a member calls him he has bad reception from his cottage

[Torontomaplelaughs]

Wasn't Murphy the one that took 82 hrs while he pushed the 55 hrs Covid agreement on the pilot group?

So youre saying BM was the highest paid pilot at the base during Covid while he sent his members around the world during a pandemic as he sat from home?

While pushing a paycut to save the company money to make his flight ops pals happy?

Disgraceful

[yycflyguy]

Wasn't Murphy the one that took 82 hrs while he pushed the 55 hrs Covid agreement on the pilot group?

So youre saying BM was the highest paid pilot at the base during Covid while he sent his members around the world during a pandemic as he sat from home?

While pushing a paycut to save the company money to make his flight ops pals happy?

Disgraceful

He wasn't the only one receiving those credits.

[Rooster69]

Does anyone know what members pay for that office in Vancouver and how often the chair is even there?

Seems everytime a member calls him he has bad reception from his cottage

I am curious to how much ACPA pays for its representatives and some of its employees who ‘commute’ to their ACPA ‘jobs’. How mush hotel room , expenses and such.

[grimreaper70]

The Moronic Variant


While the world has learned of the Omicron variant it appears another variant has been identified out of YUL – The Moronic Variant.


Scientists have teamed up with the mathematicians that are still studying the claim on how voluntary overtime and not following collective agreements on vacation buybacks has zero impact on crew planning. Originally identified as the “Dipshit” variant, this variant was traced back to an exclusive Facebook group that had members concerned that this virus could spread to the membership causing the symptoms of listing for overtime and getting “brain fog” resulting in forgetfulness about furloughs.


It appears the Moronic variant indeed spread to Vancouver via a flight operated by an infected member who is the newly acclaimed vice chair of the YUL base which is also known as the “ALPA can suck it” base or “ALPA: too much money & look at what you get for all your dues here” base.


He decided it would be best to get to his first ever union meeting by showing some solidarity to his fellow furloughs by chowing down on some overtime at the trough. It was stated by the chair of the base that he was “OK with this” as he noted “the gem” that MEC Reps fly on business standby economy. It appears he has succumb to the viral symptoms of brain fog as he forgot about the fact that lowly relief pilots, pilots heading to sim or commuters pond scum also fly in economy.


It was a heartfelt moment as the membership realized there hasn’t been an actual in person leadership summit for 2 years now. He noted he had been “working his ass off” from home while his constituents flew throughout the planet during the pandemic. The sacrifices from home this leader has made will surely put him on the wall with other leadership greats who lead from their armchairs.


The leader wasn’t done here as he submitted his motion for an honorary lifetime membership to a well celebrated “company man”. It was emotional plea for an ACPA great who was part of the infamous “Group of 27” who worked “tirelessly”. While there may not be much debate on that – the question is who he worked hard for: the company or the membership. And given he is now volunteering for the company after years of being a leader at a union – he too may have succumbed to the variant.

[unionism101]

Good thing the YVR Base Reps have formed such a great partnership with management & YUL

[Montroyal]

Blake has always been a huge "capture the flying" guy

Ie argued that cargo deal with concessions was ok because we weren't doing the flying despite us already doing the flying

Zero clue we were the only airline that was going to take a paycut to do it. I guess when you're at your lake cottage and only talk to your flight ops buddies, easy to not see what everyone else is doing.

I mean we already had 767 rates after flying the plane for eons. There was literally nothing to negotiate

Then of course he wanted to "capture" that flying in Hong Kong. That poor crew that paid the price with a free vacation in quarantine camp

Awful leadership

[Fanblade]

At least in YVR the membership has started voting in elected members who want to rebuild the profession rather than continue to aid its decline. The LEC council was a sweep of new people. So yes YVR has been slow but they are waking up. Lots of new blood on the base as well.

I doubt either of them will survive the next election cycle.

We may even see a recall attempt if things get bad enough. Very high bar to meet though.

What puzzles me is why the YUL LEC enjoys so much support from their members in light of all the WAWCON declines over the last decade.