Be a pilot in KeeyBek? Buy Kevlar

Jaded but still pushing · Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:12 pm

I have lived in this sewer of a province for the past 8 years ... and jumped through the hoops of idiocy vis a vis language and the inherent racism that typifies an anglo living in a french wanna be society.

I've met many many people in Quebec who are wonderful .. but for some reason .. they all seem to have jobs outside of aviation.

Strange yes .. till our company started training a young fellow towards his MIFR ...

On his graduation .. after telling the boss that he had no "problem" with buying an additional 20 hrs sim so he'd be "real ready" .. or I guess pret avec la visage brune ...

This moron gets hired to warm seats and flip dials in the 310 ..

I neglect to mention .. he bought his instructor (the left seat guy) a Citizen Navihawk upon his successful ride ..

One which took 45 hrs sim and over 25 hrs in the aircraft ...

Now this little shite is at the hangar 24 on 7 to the point where even the mechanics are asking him to leave .. but he won't.

And yes today .. he was granted a flight that should have gone to someone who's done more than buy the instructor gifts and lick and chase the brown ring of the owner .

I'd be a whole lot more upset since I was one of the supposed fellows holding "SENIORITY" rather than fellatio ...

BUT I JUST GOT HIRED IN THE BEAUTIFUL PROVINCE OF ALBERTA

The moderators will never allow me to really say my mind ... so I'll settle for a simple admonition:

In Quebec .. if you are English native .. you will never ever advance past Chief pilot of a school or a bullshit positon flying charters for $75 a day with that day encompassing ten or more hours.

Unless you're happy trading your MIFR and or worse ATP for $15 per hour in a crapped out 210 .. in which case you're "standby" .. ie. stand and F-ing wait for the g'damn flight.

bitter .. yes .. only because my eyes were opened by a real company out west with whom I've signed, and require exactly $30 000 less than Jetsgo.

Long may you rot Quebec ...

Superman · Post by **Superman** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:58 am

Hi there.

Neglecting the derogatory comments in your post (French wannabe society? what's up with that?), it would at least be constructive if you were to name the company that you're bitching so that others in Québec would be able to avoid said company.

And don't kid yourself, people like you describe exist in all provinces, even in beautiful Alberta. If you hated your job this much in Qc, how come you stayed there for 8 years? Surely there were other opportunities for you in that time frame...

Just curious about what you're really trying to say...

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:05 am

First of all your post is what got many words banned in the last forum, but at least you didn't mention the company. If people want to know which compnay it is, they can PM you and ask.

Ignoring your horrible grammar and derogotory comments, it sounds like you are a victim, if I understand correctly. It sounds like it was just a case of squeaky wheel gets the greese gone too far. If I were looking for a job, of course I would hang around and keep bugging people to get some flying if I had nothing to loose, which I wouldn't if they weren't hiring me anyway.

That being said, I don't think it had anything to do with them being french, from Quebec or from being left or right handed. Its just a problem that occurs everywhere. It sucks I know, but the only thing you can really do is have a chat with the lad and find out what he's all about. If you can't convince him to stop being stupid, at least get on his good side.

popo · Post by **popo** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:12 pm

Just want to say,
that i was born and rised in France, and i would agree,

the KEEEEBEEEEECKER are french Wannabe, and that insult me and piss me off when they call themself french.
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

It is like calling a Canadian an American,................

Stoppppppppppppppppppp it You are not French unless born there and rise there.
Or at least there for a bit or whatever,

Guys born and rise in Quebec,

Listen to me you are F.......g Canadian not F.....g French !!!!!

gongshow · Post by **gongshow** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:31 pm

hon hon hon <--- snooty french laugh. Hey poopoo, this is Avcanada not Avfrance, get in your peugeot and take your beret, baguette and quebecer bashing elsewhere

... · Post by **...** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:36 pm

gongshow wrote:hon hon hon <--- snooty french laugh. Hey poopoo, this is Avcanada not Avfrance, get in your peugeot and take your beret, baguette and quebecer bashing elsewhere

I don't think what popo said was bashing bro.

You however are more like a bigot than a basher

Superman · Post by **Superman** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:30 pm

Birddog,

As a French Canadian myself, I cringe at at what popo said, especially considering that if he is who he claims he is, then calling names is hardly constructive for someone who now has Canada as his new home. That is, an immigrant who now enjoys what another country has to offer because he was invited to do so quite easily, now bitches about the locals? How's that for gratitude and respect? Canadians know better.

If French Canadians are French wannabees, then are anglophone Canadians American wannabees? What's next, you can't be a Canadian either because you speak Spanish or you're not white?

These arguments never go anywhere, and although I don't agree with what gongshow wrote, I do understand why he said it. Sigh, how long we still have to go...

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:46 pm

Popo. Does it really matter what your liberators call themselves? Or where they come from?
They must use kelvar visors in kweebec...

MKIII · Post by **MKIII** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:51 pm

I am an other frenchie as well. The thing that pisses me off the most is when an english Canadian or an American treat us like French dudes from France. Too many times, a lot of people dosen't seems to make the difference.

WE DID NOT SURRENDER DURING WWII...

... · Post by **...** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:09 pm

Superman wrote:Birddog,

If French Canadians are French wannabees, then are anglophone Canadians American wannabees?
These arguments never go anywhere, and although I don't agree with what gongshow wrote, I do understand why he said it. Sigh, how long we still have to go...

Ecoute.... moi-la j'suis um franco Canadien. I have never seen your name on Avcanada so I can assume that you don't know my stand on these issues.

Don't even begin to point the finger about the injustices of my ex province, Quebec. If you have not lived outside La Belle Province, among other 'Canadians' on coast to coast to coast and tasted all corners of this beautiful country......I ask you to get off that soap box.

That goes for you 'Hinglish's' out there too!!

I am sick of being held hostage by my own people in Quebec. You give a child what they desire when they are crying....expect the child to cry louder the next time.

So stop it...I am really sick of it. Everyone just stop the phucking bitching about one another (French Eniglish)

MKIII · Post by **MKIII** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:24 pm

As for Mr. Still Pushing. I have to agree that a lot of flying schools in Quebec ( especially YQB and YUL,YHU ) are giving preference to ass kissers and students who are willing to pay some extras.

But I have to say that racism is not only a quebecquers issue. I used to work outside Quebec for 2 float seasons so far and I have to admit that most of the peoples I had to deal with were awesome. But I met some real assholes as well.

Here in La Belle Province, the language barrier is the main reason why we have so many narrow minded persons. Still too many people comes out of high school with a very poor english language skill, so they keep listening cheap french language TV shows, they cannot laugh at themself when Don Cherry or Connan's dog are making a joke on them, they are scared to travel on an airplane because they might have a connection flight out of YYZ...

...but still, I am not ashamed to be one of them because the main reason why those people are like that are mainly political. I am 26 right now and I have to deal with a stupid political heritage that I never choose to live with when I came in the world...

I wish you a lots of good times in The Wild Rose country Mr. Still Pushing, with half of the income taxes it won't be too hard I guess.

Salut

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:37 pm

Just after the last referendum I was flying in Europe with a couple of friends who happened to be on the OUI side of the vote. One night at dinner an arguement broke out about the recent political goings on in P.Q.
I refused to take part in the arguements. One of the guys on the NO side was so upset he left the table and stormed off before dinner arrived .
After dinner one of my close friends asked me how I felt about the situation. You can call this a cop out or what ever you like but I told him that no matter what happens in Quebec he and I would still be good friends and that was what was most important to me not how he votes.
There is disrimination everywhere you don't have to look that hard for it
When I moved to Northern Ontario from Southern Ontario I faced it because of where I was raised and learned to fly. It's so stupid to judge someone on the bases of where they're from , race ,sex, religon.
I live in Kenora Ontario now and I would say things are getting better but man this burg is the Selma Alabama of Canada.
How did Michal Cain put it ... There are two things I can't stand intolerance of others and the Dutch.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:03 pm

There's not much wrong in the PQ. Where else can you go to the corner store or the post office in the eastern townships and head into the walk-in beer cooler that encompases the back 1/3 of the store? Where I'm from and the rest of my family is, they don't seem to care that much about the political stuff...they just have a good time at the bar where it closes at 4. Nothin wrong wit dat.

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:23 am

MKIII. True Quebec did not surrender during WW2, but did they have conscription? Not to discredit the fine young French Canadian men who did answer the call. Ahh, politics.

MKIII · Post by **MKIII** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:59 pm

Yes, they did have conscription too. Why they wouldn't?