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Re: DEC Posting

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How do you come up with 79K from looking at that table..? :rolleyes:
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With current deductions for STD and other benefits it’s probably less (take home at least) I’m not sure how FO’s survive at jazz.
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Admiral Benson wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 8:11 pm How do you come up with 79K from looking at that table..? :rolleyes:
Most companies have somewhere around 75-85 credits as minimum guarantee. At say the rate is $75 per credit at 80 min credits per month, that is 75X80X12 = $72,000 per year before taxes. You just gotta figure out what their min credits is and you're set...
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I personally don't know any captains at Jazz that grossed less than 90K in their first year. (Myself included)

Now granted we didn't enter the captain scale right at year 1. Most of us probably did a little bit of overtime here and there and had a mixed block with a bit of reserve in our schedules. But I was still over 90k and that isn't including the $12,000 of per diem money I received during my first year. (You can expect anywhere from 10-14k per year in the per diem department and unless you eat every meal at BP your probably only going to spend 8-9K per year on road food.

If you entered the scale DEC at year 1. Sat on RSB all year and never went to work once in a year where we weren't busy and blocked 77.5 every month (it's almost always more) then MAYBE you could see a year one T4 for 79K. But I've never seen it.

Jazz has absolutely no justification for their awful FO pay, especially in years 1-5. But people who scoff at the left seat compensation numbers are retarded. Considering you show up to a fully fuelled fully loaded fully filed aircraft and away you go.

Your 704 left seat job is way harder, and your pay scale most likely doesn't get anywhere near $140 per hour.

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A lot of folks don't factor in the per diems in the comparatives.

I used to look at per diem as pocket change until I realized how much they added up over the year.

12 full block months will generate 800-1000$ tax free per month. That's nearly equivalent to an extra 20k gross. And for many pilots who carefully plan their pairings to spend as little as they can (unlike me haha), that's money going straight in their pocket.

Food for thought.

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Has anyone heard back from Jazz yet after applying for the DEC posting?
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doubt one will hear back before they do an internal posting (standing bid).
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Outlaw58 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:32 am A lot of folks don't factor in the per diems in the comparatives.

I used to look at per diem as pocket change until I realized how much they added up over the year.

12 full block months will generate 800-1000$ tax free per month. That's nearly equivalent to an extra 20k gross. And for many pilots who carefully plan their pairings to spend as little as they can (unlike me haha), that's money going straight in their pocket.

Food for thought.

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No that's 8-12K period. No bank will look at a perdiem, and if they did they certainly would not inflate the value of it.
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CanadianPilotQc wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:34 am doubt one will hear back before they do an internal posting (standing bid).
Does anybody have intel about when that would be happening?
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Normally the next one should be in August. There is a possibility however that a bid is held earlier according to a MEC email received last week.
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I think I would need to start at year 34 captain pay to make that worthwhile.
rudder wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 2:55 pm
RVR6000 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 2:02 pm Can some post the captain pay scales, is it status pay even on the EMJ?
If hired today:

Pay scale effective 01 July 2022 (all aircraft)

1. 84.89
2. 87.55
3. 91.79
4. 94.45
5. 98.70
6. 107.21
7. 109.89
8. 112.65
9. 115.46
10. 118.35
11. 121.31
12. 124.35
13. 127.46
14. 130.63
15. 133.91
16. 137.27
17. 140.69
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Joe Blow Schmo wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:13 am I think I would need to start at year 34 captain pay to make that worthwhile.
If you think those numbers are bad, you should see the starting FO pay…….
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All machines in the fleet fall under those YOS wages. The EMB is no exception.

Just a simple breakdown from someone on the property.

An AVERAGE month will see a blocking window between 80 and 85hrs.. and there is always a couple hours of block growth. I just looked at 2019 hours for me personally and I see I averaged 88.5hrs pay a month. 85hrs is the overtime trigger. Any WDO (worked day off) is 1.5x as well. I havent personally done one since 2018 when my little one was born. I've seen some people as high as 120 credits a month! But thats not for me either. I don't bid anything weird to get high credit. Basically just days off for childcare. A pretty ho hum average line driver.

So year 1. 84.89 x 85 = 7215 x 12 = 86,587.

3.5 x 84.89 = 297 x 1.5 = 445 x 12 = 5348.

Soooo an average year at year one pay.. without being an OT slave grosses over 90k.

Don't forget the ESOP match 50% of the 6% you purchased of your gross. The shoe and uniform maintenance allowance and a myriad of other things. I'd imagine a year one captain is right at 100k gross!

I average 1300/month in per diems as a Q capt. Not that we 'count' those. Just a nice little bonus.

YMMV.
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Yr 4 cpt pay scale and with a little OT I have had $5500-$6000 months after taxes.

Add in 1200-1500 In perdiums. It's pretty good $$$. ESPECIALLY when those ot days are 1 leg each day 😆
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And alot of guys don't include the fact that they are putting the maximum contribution into ESOP and RRSPs. That's alot of free money getting back to you albeit down the road
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flyingcanuck wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 7:54 pm And alot of guys don't include the fact that they are putting the maximum contribution into ESOP and RRSPs. That's alot of free money getting back to you albeit down the road
+1

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So did the pay scales increase when the EMB joined the fleet and as the smaller Dashes are removed since the average aircraft size increased?
Rowdy wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 2:53 pm All machines in the fleet fall under those YOS wages. The EMB is no exception.

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Joe Blow Schmo wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 11:57 pm So did the pay scales increase when the EMB joined the fleet and as the smaller Dashes are removed since the average aircraft size increased?
Rowdy wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 2:53 pm All machines in the fleet fall under those YOS wages. The EMB is no exception.

No they have always all been the same pay scale. No raise other than "inflation". It was done during COVID without a vote because they know we would have voted it down. We really need a raise though
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We are all getting HUGE pay cuts when you consider what our benefits are now costing us. I’m taking home less than I was 2 years ago and don’t get me started about inflation……

2% yearly raise. “real” inflation likely 15%.
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Those benefit premiums are a shocker. I fly for a U.S. airline and have “Cadillac “ benefits at my company. Family coverage for me and my wife and kids is $450 USD a month. That’s with no socialized healthcare in the US.
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