So everyone is leaving?

[ICUP]

Looks like lately everyone I know that flies wants to leave this country. It’s depressing.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Why are they leaving and where are they going?

[digits_]

Do they just want to leave, or are they actually leaving?

[702pipeliner]

Like everyone in aviation. It's mostly all talk no action. Lots of people talk about leaving but none really have the means to leave unless you have a duel citizenship or married into another nationality.

People keep bickering about how awful aviation is. Was the same 20 years ago and will be the same 20 from now.

Even those of us with options internationally havnt jumped the gun and moved down to the usa/australia/Europe.

[JasonE]

I know of people who went back home to eastern Europe.

[Inverted2]

My wife would move south tomorrow but her field of work pays less there. I’ve thought about it but it’s still a big hassle. She thinks I can just send out resumes and the company will sponsor me and accept my Canadian licence.

[Squaretail]

If everyone is leaving, why are there still so many here?

[qwe221sd]

why leave? Hiring is going up.

[WellThatAgedWell]

"everyone" is like ten people. Nice.

why leave? Hiring is going up.

Grass is green on the other side!

[ICUP]

Do they just want to leave, or are they actually leaving?

Well I thought it was all talk, but so far five fellas have left the line and heading somewhere else, mostly Europe. One of them won't see his EASA license for at least 2 years and he is willing to take the risk.

Why are they leaving and where are they going?

I guess people are done getting paid poorly compared with other places. Mostly Europe and south the border. I don't blame them, really

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Do they just want to leave, or are they actually leaving?

Well I thought it was all talk, but so far five fellas have left the line and heading somewhere else, mostly Europe. One of them won't see his EASA license for at least 2 years and he is willing to take the risk.

Why are they leaving and where are they going?

I guess people are done getting paid poorly compared with other places. Mostly Europe and south the border. I don't blame them, really

I agree, I left Canada’s dog crap industry behind for the states over ten years ago. The grass most definitely is greener, I only keep my Canadian license active with a few customers here and there under my own company. This Canadian industry is a f’n joke, the wages aren’t keeping up with even regular interest adjustments let alone this last big one. What I see whenever I come back here to help out makes my stomach turn, guys so broke they’re living in trailers ffs. Operators here should be ashamed of the conditions they have created.

[Stinky]

I left 6 years ago to the US. I’ll never go back to Canada.

I’ve had a couple of friends do the same in the past year. If the US starts offering visas to pilots we’ll see a pretty big exodus in Canada.

[Arnie Pye]

I am aware of at least 3-4 guys who have left my company to go to the US. None had ties to 'merika before this. It has me thinking about it. I earn a good living by working my ass off. There is more pay for less work out there and it's just across the border. I'm keeping in touch with the last guy who left and strongly considering my next move.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I am aware of at least 3-4 guys who have left my company to go to the US. None had ties to 'merika before this. It has me thinking about it. I earn a good living by working my ass off. There is more pay for less work out there and it's just across the border. I'm keeping in touch with the last guy who left and strongly considering my next move.

I’m an AME as well and I make more in the USA in a week than a veteran helicopter AME in Canada would make in a month (and that’s for a lower paying customer). Not to mention flying, home every night support is there without question…. Then come back to Canada where you’re thrown back into a tall poppy environment where archaic aerosexual white headed sharp management pits everyone against eachother in a sick ploy to keep work effort up and wages in the gutter as has been the case in Canada since the first aircraft took flight for cash. Not to mention with old aircraft and 1/100th the work, I wish I made the jump at the beginning of my career tbh. As for fixed wing it’s pretty obvious ULCC’s are going to be the standard in Canadas future not to mention more and more N reg’d aircraft picking up routes in Canada.

I will say this, to anyone reading this and looking for work in Canada, any operator that’s ALWAYS advertising for employment especially ones with multiple positions, … that should be an indication of working conditions…. Its gut wrenching seeing what Canada’s industry has become and continues into an abysmal trench of garbage…

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I am aware of at least 3-4 guys who have left my company to go to the US. None had ties to 'merika before this. It has me thinking about it. I earn a good living by working my ass off. There is more pay for less work out there and it's just across the border. I'm keeping in touch with the last guy who left and strongly considering my next move.

As someone that’s been down here for a while, if you do make the switch be sure it’s at par with the wages that US residents are working for. As a non immigrant worker the optics are a little different in the USA than in Canada. There is a respect for Canadian pilots and ames down here as the training is way better in Canada as well as our standards.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I left 6 years ago to the US. I’ll never go back to Canada.

I’ve had a couple of friends do the same in the past year. If the US starts offering visas to pilots we’ll see a pretty big exodus in Canada.

It’s already begun… it’s not advertised (yet) but I personally am seeing more Canadians come down here for work

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Like everyone in aviation. It's mostly all talk no action. Lots of people talk about leaving but none really have the means to leave unless you have a duel citizenship or married into another nationality.

People keep bickering about how awful aviation is. Was the same 20 years ago and will be the same 20 from now.

Even those of us with options internationally havnt jumped the gun and moved down to the usa/australia/Europe.

As someone that personally did make the switch you’re full of hot air. More and more Canadians are coming down here for work not under the caveats you’ve described. You can keep your crappy Canadian aviation

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I know of people who went back home to eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe over Canada for work?

[MOAB]

Bug Stomper did the company you work for take care of your work visa when you initially went to the states? How long is a process was that?

I work with around 100 pilots and there has been some increased interest in going south, but shy of having a US company take you on or getting a green card or entering the lottery for one is almost impossible.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Bug Stomper did the company you work for take care of your work visa when you initially went to the states? How long is a process was that?

I work with around 100 pilots and there has been some increased interest in going south, but shy of having a US company take you on or getting a green card or entering the lottery for one is almost impossible.

100 pilots wow! Must be an airline. It depends on what visa you apply for, there are different ways of doing it and it all depends on the individual. It was a few months the last I did mine, five maybe? it’s good for five years (there are extensions available as well depending). I’m not an expert on the matter, as it was taken care of for me last time by the company. My advice is to start as a non immigrant worker and progress from there. I can’t move from Canada just yet but I’m starting to think I may have to the way things are, and the amount my customers are asking me to. US companies will take you on depending on the position, requirements by the customer and demand for the pilot and or technician which there is no shortage of. There are also intra company transfer visas that current employees in Canada can apply for to a (USA) subsidiary company. The best thing anyone entertaining this idea to do is talk to an immigration lawyer for an hour and get all their specifics lined up to see if it’s what they want. It’s really not as hard as everyone says.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Big corporations in Canada would rather email blast you every month with woke virtue signalling deflecting from real issues. Why do they send emails about “not assuming pronoun’s”, “diversity” and “all female flight crews” when inflation is through the roof. I’m sure all the women in Canadian aviation would rather a raise that keeps up with their American counterparts. Instead the company will schedule a flight with all women so they can post it to instagram and gather likes.

Are women not attracted to aviation because of their parts? Or are women not attracted to aviation because they look at the pay, the schedule, the barriers to entry (that are nothing to do with being a woman) and industry stability etc. Maybe other careers are just way more attractive than working overnights as an AME. Maybe careers where you are not away from home for days at a time are more attractive. Maybe a career where you don’t have to “do your time” in another province or territory is more attractive.

Next time we see a Facebook post with all women flight crew we can comment about how they are the lowest paid crew in North America. Why don’t you pay them more? You want more women in aviation, make the job more attractive for everyone.

So it’s no surprise people want out. Corporation’s are either out of touch, or it’s intentional. Who knows.

[photofly]

Next time we see a Facebook post with all women flight crew we can comment about how they are the lowest paid crew in North America. Why don’t you pay them more? You want more women in aviation, make the job more attractive for everyone.

On the contrary: it's well known that women are in the majority in low paying jobs. If you want more women pilots, slash pay rates to those of PSWs, restaurant wait staff or domestic workers. Within 3 years, 80% of pilots will be female.

The same applies to jobs with poor schedules and conditions: majority female-held. Introduce zero-hours contracts, split shifts and remove benefits from airline pilot positions and the proportion of women will rise rapidly.

I'm keen to give it a try. Who's with me?

[rookiepilot]

My $0.02 reading this:

Stop whining and LEAVE if that's better. Grow up. Toughen up. Shut up.

Do whatever it takes.

Sh-- the world is full of coddled sniveling little whiners.

[photofly]

Sh-- the world is full of coddled sniveling little whiners.

It's all that pushbutton flying ... too little to do on the flight deck, and too much time.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

My $0.02 reading this:

Stop whining and LEAVE if that's better. Grow up. Toughen up. Shut up.

Do whatever it takes.

Sh-- the world is full of coddled sniveling little whiners.

Lol the post is literally regarding everyone leaving, which is being discussed