Hard Landings Prompt Wind Restrictions For New Gulfstreams

[DHC-1 Jockey]

https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 50.article

"The Federal Aviation Administration has mandated new restrictions on wind conditions in which operators of Gulfstream G500s and G600s are permitted to land. The agency released an airworthiness directive (AD) on 6 May that responds to a second hard landing event that happened on 4 April.

The AD sets the maximum wind speed in which pilots of G500s and G600s are permitted to land at 15kt (28km/h), including gusts, the document says. Additionally, it prohibits landings if maximum wind gusts exceed 5kt, and it requires pilots add 10kt to their landing reference speed."

I've already seen this limit in action as a G500 from Cincinnati to Detroit had to orbit for over an hour over Windsor waiting for the winds to die down in Detroit before they could land. In the end, the winds didn't get below 15 knots and the flight diverted back to Cincinnati.

[photofly]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

[digits_]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

Hehe, you beat me to it.

Funny (and sad) how these restrictions are more restrictive than the average FTU...

Just imagine flying in your fancy Gulfstream, having to divert, only to see a lowly 172 land on a screaming VFR day.

Might be quite disastrous for Gulfstream.

[CpnCrunch]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

[RockSalty]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

Can hardly blame the instructors for the FTU making that a hard limit

[Corpdriver]

Guess nobody East of Quebec will ever buy one of those machines.

[PilotDAR]

Hmmm...

"Oh, Mr./Ms. Regulator Inspector: I respect the prohibition on landing in this wind speed, so I did not attempt to land. I did, however attempt to crash, and seemingly did not manage to harm the airplane in the attempt! I'm parked now, what would you like me to do?"

"Sec. 25.231

Longitudinal stability and control.

(a) Landplanes may have no uncontrollable tendency to nose over in any reasonably expected operating condition or when rebound occurs during landing or takeoff."

I think a 15 knot wind is a "reasonably expected operating condition".

[JasonE]

"I was aiming for a controlled crash, not a landing"

[photofly]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

Can hardly blame the instructors for the FTU making that a hard limit

Of course you can. You can blame instructors for anything.

Famine. Pestilence. War.

[fish4life]

I saw another article about it and it’s apparently due to a software issues with the fly by wire and it’s forcing the nose down in the flare so it’s a Temp AD until they fix it.

[PilotDAR]

due to a software issues with the fly by wire

On an umpteen how many million dollar certified jet!?! What a ridiculous and embarrassing situation that no matter how skilled a pilot you put in the plane, it still can't be flown safely in conditions which a 172 could easily handle!

[digits_]

due to a software issues with the fly by wire

On an umpteen how many million dollar certified jet!?! What a ridiculous and embarrassing situation that no matter how skilled a pilot you put in the plane, it still can't be flown safely in conditions which a 172 could easily handle!

Those FBW systems scare me. Especially on private airplanes. I am really curious how those systems are going to behave when the plane is 60 years old...

[CpnCrunch]

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

Can hardly blame the instructors for the FTU making that a hard limit

I did a checkout at an FTU and the instructor told me the 172 (not the FTU) has a maximum crosswind limit of 15kt. I didn't have the heart to argue the point.

[RockSalty]

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

Can hardly blame the instructors for the FTU making that a hard limit

I did a checkout at an FTU and the instructor told me the 172 (not the FTU) has a maximum crosswind limit of 15kt. I didn't have the heart to argue the point.

Yikes lol, was this at a puppy mill or a smaller shop?

[fish4life]

due to a software issues with the fly by wire

On an umpteen how many million dollar certified jet!?! What a ridiculous and embarrassing situation that no matter how skilled a pilot you put in the plane, it still can't be flown safely in conditions which a 172 could easily handle!

Yup the joys of FBW

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... imitations

[rookiepilot]

Somehow, somewhere, a flight instructor is to blame.

You mean all those instructors who think the 172 has a 15kt maximum crosswind limit?

5.

Fixed.

[linecrew]

Soooo Global Express for the win?