rudder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:32 amIf MS offered ACPA a dramatically improved new-hire pay scheme at AC in exchange for a PML 1 style seniority deferral arrangement, ACPA would be hard pressed to say no.Fanblade wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:15 amInverted2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:27 pm
If you are hell bent on AC I wouldn’t quit Jazz to go to a competitor of AC to try and get in quicker. The first thing they will probably ask as is why you quit the “team” only to want to come back. Air Canada will probably see you quitting Jazz as a huge disrespect. The only solution is to reserve seniority numbers when they flow over. Otherwise going behind everyone else OTS means you’re last in and first to be laid off in the next slowdown and I guarantee that will happen sooner or later.
Air Canada is using a job at AC as a carrot to get lower wages at Jazz. That is what flow through is in their eyes. A free way to get cheap pilots at the feeder. If ACPA were to agree to reserved seniority numbers, then ACPA would be participating in lower wages at Jazz.
We need to stop this constant downward pressure on wages.
For the pilot shortage to have its maximum effect, we need to let supply and demand do its job. Carrots used to artificially lower wages, in opposition to the forces of supply and demand, only benefit AC.
I’m not suggesting flow through agreements don’t have their place. Nor am I saying it’s okay for AC to walk away from their contractual commitments to Jazz pilots either. AC should be aggressively challenged for this.
But asking ACPA to bail out AC’s failure to live up to their obligations, in a manor that would help keep wages lower is anti Union. It would be ACPA acting in a manor that is not in the best interest of the profession as a whole.
Now I get that has been ACPA’s trademark move to pull the industry down. But that has to stop. Unless the old guard retakes ACPA and turns it back into an extension of management reserved numbers are not likely.
What is likely is ACPA let’s AC live with the consequences of its decisions.
As for Jazz, it has been largely unsuccessful in attracting any meaningful volume of qualified DEC applicants nor DEC bidders on the initial courses. It also needs to seriously rethink entry level pay.
Flow was never going to be enough to fill the rapidly emptying seats since the opportunities out there are expanding and not limited to AC. And now flow has a huge question mark beside it.
The best would be if both ACPA and Jazz ALPA refused any kind of flow carrot deal. Stonewall on everything and force Chorus and AC to actually pay up. Look south of the border with regional pay doubling to keep the operation staffed. If pay at jazz dramatically increased it will also put pressure on AC to increase pay. Everybody wins.
AC and Chorus love flow deals because it costs them nothing.