lownslow wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:01 pm Poaching? Is that to say Jazz has a right to the ownership of their employees? If so they should sell their ironclad contract language to the companies looking to beef up their training bonds.

Loon-A-Tic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:31 pm Just keep in mind the last time Porter planned to expand into jet operations it never happened and there are no E2’s on the ramp yet.

maverick12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:40 pm

Loon-A-Tic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:31 pm Just keep in mind the last time Porter planned to expand into jet operations it never happened and there are no E2’s on the ramp yet.

Damn that video of the E2 being painted must be a hoax video

altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:44 pm Poach away.

Compete for qualified labour.

It's good for the pilots that go, it's good for them pilots that stay, it's good for Canadian pilots.

altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:44 pm Poach away.

Compete for qualified labour.

It's good for the pilots that go, it's good for them pilots that stay, it's good for Canadian pilots.

rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:06 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:44 pm Poach away.

Compete for qualified labour.

It's good for the pilots that go, it's good for them pilots that stay, it's good for Canadian pilots.

Some E175 pilots who are not waiting in queue for AC will leave Jazz for Porter. In particular, ACP (TRI/TRE) qualified E175 pilots will be in high demand. In this instance, they should name their price. Where else does Porter think they will find such pilots that will be TC approved?

It is not a given that the Porter E2 operation will be a long term success. But there are lots of jobs in CDN aviation right now. None are particularly great paying but DEC opportunities are now commonplace.

$120/hr starting pay on the E2 is not enough for the most qualified E175 pilots (I am not talking about a recent E175 upgrade with <500 hours on type). Porter will have to supplement with a type endorsed signing bonus and a hefty override for type endorsed training pilots.

rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:06 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:44 pm Poach away.

Compete for qualified labour.

It's good for the pilots that go, it's good for them pilots that stay, it's good for Canadian pilots.

Some E175 pilots who are not waiting in queue for AC will leave Jazz for Porter. In particular, ACP (TRI/TRE) qualified E175 pilots will be in high demand. In this instance, they should name their price. Where else does Porter think they will find such pilots that will be TC approved?

It is not a given that the Porter E2 operation will be a long term success. But there are lots of jobs in CDN aviation right now. None are particularly great paying but DEC opportunities are now commonplace.

$120/hr starting pay on the E2 is not enough for the most qualified E175 pilots (I am not talking about a recent E175 upgrade with <500 hours on type). Porter will have to supplement with a type endorsed signing bonus and a hefty override for type endorsed training pilots.

schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:14 am It'll be interesting to see how the industry navigates the new supply of seats in 2023, with similar qualified crew shortages.

Only thing helping out our industry is the ability to take guys at the airlines with frozen AAs down to 250 hours.

altiplano wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:49 pm

rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:06 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:44 pm Poach away.

Compete for qualified labour.

It's good for the pilots that go, it's good for them pilots that stay, it's good for Canadian pilots.

Some E175 pilots who are not waiting in queue for AC will leave Jazz for Porter. In particular, ACP (TRI/TRE) qualified E175 pilots will be in high demand. In this instance, they should name their price. Where else does Porter think they will find such pilots that will be TC approved?

It is not a given that the Porter E2 operation will be a long term success. But there are lots of jobs in CDN aviation right now. None are particularly great paying but DEC opportunities are now commonplace.

$120/hr starting pay on the E2 is not enough for the most qualified E175 pilots (I am not talking about a recent E175 upgrade with <500 hours on type). Porter will have to supplement with a type endorsed signing bonus and a hefty override for type endorsed training pilots.

As I said:
Compete for qualified labour.

All the operators in this country have had it far too easy for too long when it comes to the operators in the front end. It's time to bump all these ticket prices up by a couple bucks and pay up.

$120 is fucking ridiculous. That's an FO rate. Barely.

schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:14 am It'll be interesting to see how the industry navigates the new supply of seats in 2023, with similar qualified crew shortages.

Only thing helping out our industry is the ability to take guys at the airlines with frozen AAs down to 250 hours.

I don't think there's any crew shortage. There's a shortage of pay. Guys are leaving or checking out or not coming back to Canada when given the opportunity. All the airline's in this country - every single one of them - pay the shits and the highest paying one punishes new hires for 4 years to welcome them.

If Canadian airlines paid like US Majors and LCCs we'd have a pile of experienced guys in this country to do the work.

Maybe Canadian pilots are finally smartening up and not taking the bait and false promises anymore... that's how this countries airlines have been getting crewed for the past 20 years. But maybe we're starting to wise up to demand real compensation for our skillset.

We are in demand, it's time that these airlines paid like it. Particularly a company like Porter or another upstart that isn't established and offers little in terms of security or longevity... hardly career companies at this point, what would attract an experienced guy if not pay? I think nothing.

altiplano wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:49 pm
As I said:
Compete for qualified labour.

All the operators in this country have had it far too easy for too long when it comes to the operators in the front end. It's time to bump all these ticket prices up by a couple bucks and pay up.

$120 is fucking ridiculous. That's an FO rate. Barely.

altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:56 am It would certainly benefit them.

eeeroger wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:37 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:56 am It would certainly benefit them.

An air canada pilot suggesting the benefits of a union. Lol that’s rich. It seems a lot of this forum involves throwing stones from glass houses. Perhaps there is a reason why the Porter group hasn’t seriously pushed for a union in its 16 years? Those I know at Porter are quite looking forward to the future; a ton of applications I’ve heard as well. I hope the industry as a whole continues to prosper. Why not?

rudder wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:25 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:49 pm
Low pilot pay syndrome is endemic in Canada. Market forces still not yet having an impact. Ability for pilots to exit to US would have devastating affect on CDN airline industry.

I 100% agree the US opening its borders would help solve their crewing problems and force Canadian operators to increase the salaries of their employees to try and keep them. The best thing a Canadian pilot can do right now is to get your FAA Qualifications and to be ready when the US market opens up.

eeeroger wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:37 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:56 am It would certainly benefit them.

An air canada pilot suggesting the benefits of a union. Lol that’s rich. It seems a lot of this forum involves throwing stones from glass houses. Perhaps there is a reason why the Porter group hasn’t seriously pushed for a union in its 16 years? Those I know at Porter are quite looking forward to the future; a ton of applications I’ve heard as well. I hope the industry as a whole continues to prosper. Why not?

goingmissed wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:00 am

eeeroger wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:37 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:56 am It would certainly benefit them.

An air canada pilot suggesting the benefits of a union. Lol that’s rich. It seems a lot of this forum involves throwing stones from glass houses. Perhaps there is a reason why the Porter group hasn’t seriously pushed for a union in its 16 years? Those I know at Porter are quite looking forward to the future; a ton of applications I’ve heard as well. I hope the industry as a whole continues to prosper. Why not?

A good union maintains a good working relationship with the company. A good company maintains a good working relationship with its unions.

Porter seems like a good company and I believe it would work well with its unions.

goingmissed wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:00 am

A good union maintains a good working relationship with the company. A good company maintains a good working relationship with its unions.

Porter seems like a good company and I believe it would work well with its unions.