DEC Jazz
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Re: DEC Jazz
Anyone know if Jazz has, had to park aircraft due to lack of crews yet?
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Re: DEC Jazz
Cancelling at least 5-20 flights a day for the last few months sooooo
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Was that for crews though? AC reduced flights for the summer and that would include jazz flights tooflyingcanuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:08 pmCancelling at least 5-20 flights a day for the last few months sooooo
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Jazz was originally planned to be operating 600-700 flights per day for summer schedule. AC commercial tapered the Express schedule just as it did for mainline, although I think that proportionally a higher number of Express flights were removed from the system.goleafsgo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:54 amWas that for crews though? AC reduced flights for the summer and that would include jazz flights tooflyingcanuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:08 pmCancelling at least 5-20 flights a day for the last few months sooooo
There will still be day of flight cancellations. And perhaps, some might be due to lack of crew. Considering the largest hub is still facing significant logistical challenges, IRROPS will always result in crew shortages due to crew misconnects and duty issues. Nobody runs at 25% RSV coverage.
p.s. for perspective - there was a time when Jazz had a fleet of 150+ aircraft and operated 1100+ daily flights. Times have certainly changed. Somewhere in the not too distant future the Jazz fleet will settle around 80-105 aircraft and 500-700 sectors per day.
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Re: DEC Jazz
In the classes with DEC positions available, many DEC positions have been available, only a handful have put up their hands for the DEC, the remainder of the ATPL new hires choose to start as FO.Bertollag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:50 pm Hi Everyone,
I have a question about the DEC positions at Jazz. Do you think it is a good move starting as a captain when you don’t know the company, the aircraft, the routes… do you think being FO for a couple of months really makes a difference to learn the stuff or the DEC position is fine ?
Thank you very much !
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You can put up your hand, but that doesn’t mean you will be successful in the initial type course, the upgrade assessment, line indoctrination, or the CA line check. These are all challenging endeavours, and there is just one standard.KenoraPilot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:05 pmIn the classes with DEC positions available, many DEC positions have been available, only a handful have put up their hands for the DEC, the remainder of the ATPL new hires choose to start as FO.Bertollag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:50 pm Hi Everyone,
I have a question about the DEC positions at Jazz. Do you think it is a good move starting as a captain when you don’t know the company, the aircraft, the routes… do you think being FO for a couple of months really makes a difference to learn the stuff or the DEC position is fine ?
Thank you very much !
Absent a background of command in a 705 operation, or command in corporate on a jet, or extensive experience as an FO in a 705 operation (preferably jet), the possibility of success for DEC at Jazz on the CRJ is significantly diminished. There is no such thing as ab initio training for DEC.
Remains to be seen what Jazz will do with DEC that are unsuccessful.
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I really don’t know how much of a fucktard you’d have to be in order to fail an upgrade at Jazz ... I’d tell stories but even the most cynical here would say I’m full of shitrudder wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:17 amYou can put up your hand, but that doesn’t mean you will be successful in the initial type course, the upgrade assessment, line indoctrination, or the CA line check. These are all challenging endeavours, and there is just one standard.KenoraPilot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:05 pmIn the classes with DEC positions available, many DEC positions have been available, only a handful have put up their hands for the DEC, the remainder of the ATPL new hires choose to start as FO.Bertollag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:50 pm Hi Everyone,
I have a question about the DEC positions at Jazz. Do you think it is a good move starting as a captain when you don’t know the company, the aircraft, the routes… do you think being FO for a couple of months really makes a difference to learn the stuff or the DEC position is fine ?
Thank you very much !
Absent a background of command in a 705 operation, or command in corporate on a jet, or extensive experience as an FO in a 705 operation (preferably jet), the possibility of success for DEC at Jazz on the CRJ is significantly diminished. There is no such thing as ab initio training for DEC.
Remains to be seen what Jazz will do with DEC that are unsuccessful.
Pretty sure if you fail they’ll just give you more FTD, sim training, a “strong talk”, then another chance at the assessment course, then more training then a ride that you already know the script and then and extra 50-100hrs of Indoc and then they’ll shop around for a check airman to sign you off and if they can’t find anyone then a manager will do it. And then a month later on his first pairing post line check, the candidate will be clipping some runway edge lights taxiing at night in YVR and everyone will act like no-one could have seen this coming.
So yeah ... it’s really really really hard to fail the course compared to other 705 operators ... or at least it used to be but I doubt that the MPIC pilot shortage did anything to address that... if anything it’s worse now but I’ll be delighted if someone chimes in and tell me I’m wrong but commuting on the Jazz J/S in the past, I’ve seen a stuff that I wish I didn’t see. I’m much happier in the back, ignorance is truly bliss.
In twenty years time when your kids ask how you got into flying you want to be able to say "work and determination" not "I just kept taking money from your grandparents for type ratings until someone was stupid enough to give me a job"
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Re: DEC Jazz
You're pretty wrong, I know several people who failed and did NOT upgrade. They don't just pass just cause. Sure there are some that aren't the best but overall th process is pretty gooddaedalusx wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:33 pmI really don’t know how much of a fucktard you’d have to be in order to fail an upgrade at Jazz ... I’d tell stories but even the most cynical here would say I’m full of shitrudder wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:17 amYou can put up your hand, but that doesn’t mean you will be successful in the initial type course, the upgrade assessment, line indoctrination, or the CA line check. These are all challenging endeavours, and there is just one standard.KenoraPilot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:05 pm
In the classes with DEC positions available, many DEC positions have been available, only a handful have put up their hands for the DEC, the remainder of the ATPL new hires choose to start as FO.
Absent a background of command in a 705 operation, or command in corporate on a jet, or extensive experience as an FO in a 705 operation (preferably jet), the possibility of success for DEC at Jazz on the CRJ is significantly diminished. There is no such thing as ab initio training for DEC.
Remains to be seen what Jazz will do with DEC that are unsuccessful.
Pretty sure if you fail they’ll just give you more FTD, sim training, a “strong talk”, then another chance at the assessment course, then more training then a ride that you already know the script and then and extra 50-100hrs of Indoc and then they’ll shop around for a check airman to sign you off and if they can’t find anyone then a manager will do it. And then a month later on his first pairing post line check, the candidate will be clipping some runway edge lights taxiing at night in YVR and everyone will act like no-one could have seen this coming.
So yeah ... it’s really really really hard to fail the course compared to other 705 operators ... or at least it used to be but I doubt that the MPIC pilot shortage did anything to address that... if anything it’s worse now but I’ll be delighted if someone chimes in and tell me I’m wrong but commuting on the Jazz J/S in the past, I’ve seen a stuff that I wish I didn’t see. I’m much happier in the back, ignorance is truly bliss.
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Well that's good to hear. Are you saying that you you personally know several people who failed their upgrades in their last 3-4 years or was that before?You're pretty wrong, I know several people who failed and did NOT upgrade. They don't just pass just cause. Sure there are some that aren't the best but overall th process is pretty good
In twenty years time when your kids ask how you got into flying you want to be able to say "work and determination" not "I just kept taking money from your grandparents for type ratings until someone was stupid enough to give me a job"
Re: DEC Jazz
No longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
Re: DEC Jazz
Nope.FL030 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:09 pmNo longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
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There's one in particular who keeps trying, but is unsuccessful. She's had what, 3 kicks at the can now?daedalusx wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 5:42 pmWell that's good to hear. Are you saying that you you personally know several people who failed their upgrades in their last 3-4 years or was that before?You're pretty wrong, I know several people who failed and did NOT upgrade. They don't just pass just cause. Sure there are some that aren't the best but overall th process is pretty good
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Pray for no Colgan Air's this winter.swervin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:20 pmNope.FL030 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:09 pmNo longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
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Care to elaborate then?swervin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:20 pmNope.FL030 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:09 pmNo longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
Re: DEC Jazz
If Jazz were paying decent money, I’d think about going back. But to make what I made 20 years ago…..no way.
Time to start coughing up the money if you want experienced pilots in the left seat.
Time to start coughing up the money if you want experienced pilots in the left seat.
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Re: DEC Jazz
Doesn't the last requirement essentially dictate time required owing to the ATPL reference !!FL030 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:09 pmNo longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
"Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset."
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Having a ATPL has always been required at Jazz in order to upgrade.Loon-A-Tic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:54 amDoesn't the last requirement essentially dictate time required owing to the ATPL reference !!FL030 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:09 pmNo longer any hour requirements I see.
Valid Transport Canada Instrument Rating.
Valid Airline Transport Pilots License.
Valid Transport Canada Multi Engine rating.
Valid Transport Canada Class 1 Medical.
Must be able to obtain a Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC).
Must hold a current passport at time of hire.
If you are a Permanent Resident, you must be able to obtain and maintain crew visa documentation required to operate aircraft within the USA.
Must be legally entitled to work in Canada.
Must have completed a High School diploma.
Candidates must meet Transport Canada English proficiency standard.
Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.
"Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset."
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Re: DEC Jazz
Maybe Jazz should overbook their groundschools like AC overbooks their flights to account for a certain percentage of people not showing up? Imagine quitting your job and showing up to class and being told, sorry we overbooked the classroom, you can have a first class ticket on the next one (in a month) here's $200.
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On June 06 20 showed up.co-joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:27 amMaybe Jazz should overbook their groundschools like AC overbooks their flights to account for a certain percentage of people not showing up? Imagine quitting your job and showing up to class and being told, sorry we overbooked the classroom, you can have a first class ticket on the next one (in a month) here's $200.
On June 27 19 showed up.
Not sure about July 18 or August 08. Previous poster said August 29 was 19 in attendance. Don’t know where the rumour came from about PIT no shows. Interviews and sim check may be altogether different.