Protonpilot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:51 pm
altiplano wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:47 pm
I haven't seen this level of solidarity and engagement since 2012. This is a good warm up for the membership for the imminent big table bargaining.
Yes!!! I remember that, it was something. 95% participation rate in the strike vote. 95% in favour of a strike. A unified group and a hard nosed bargaining team.
How did that work out for us...
We're still licking our wounds from the FOS brought to us by the NC2.
The P4C group taking the helm now is reading from the same playbook as the NC2 from 2012. Seeing huge leverage around every corner where there is very little (open border to the US
), creating member expectations that a 30% upfront raise is coming down the pipe.
P4C is a fast track to arbitration, because there isn't going to be any offer coming across the table from the Company with a 30% raise. They've seen how quickly you go from hero to zero on Snapchat or Slack when you don't deliver.
So, predictably, they'll throw up their arms and blame the man. Just like in 2012.
Hopefully it's a traditional arbitration and not FOS.
"Protonpilot" - joined avcanada a month ago, 7 posts... another multiple user name company mouthpiece.
FOS was illegal, ACPA LRD were fools to stop the supreme court challenge slam dunk, and pro-company KV (one of the 27) that had worked his way back in to bring us the 2014 deal killed all hope to this day.
There is no way that FOS ever happens again.
The industry landscape is totally different.
Airline pilots around the world make double our salary.
There are more airlines in this country.
The company was in record profits most recently and will return so.
The pension is ridiculously over funded.
The company is going to kick and scream if this round of concessions fails, but they need a deal and will return to the table. There is no risk or rush here, as stated, there will be no forced arbitration or similar with a rejection here, we hold the cards. They have problems that require our help, Jazz flow, OTS staffing, training. They don't even have enough pilots to fly a full schedule this spring, 4 months from now let alone next summer when 996 hr max DBM resets as WBs have been going max out since June, another 8
85 hr month and they will be restricted sub-80 hr DBMs . Wait for a good deal.
But looking further, as I said, this is a warm up for this group to get ready for the big table, expect better, get educated, prepare. This solidarity can be laddered into gains when it really counts. Just stopping VO will shut down this airline.
P4C isn't a group as much as it is a swell within those of us that require better of our association, our employer, and ourselves. I suggest you get onboard.
It starts with a "NO" vote here, this deal is failing, the only question is by how much. If you're on the fence, if you want better, show solidarity and send this back with force!
