AC Jazz update

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:30 pm

March 20th g/s had 8 RJ and 9 Dash. YYZ for RJ and 4 Dash spots in YYZ rest in YUL.

Next couple classes apparently will consist of 8 RJ spots in YYZ and 32 Dash spots in YUL. Next couple classes will mainly be Dash YUL. You cannot commute from YUL by the way, only YYZ.

That will bring the hiring to 240 new hires by May with around 160+ to go, which is a conservative estimate. Basically hiring indefinitely.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:38 pm

I guess the 2 remaining spots in YVR have been taken already?......so just to comfirm that there are only 8 RJ spots left for the rest of us hopefulls?

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:46 pm

The 40 spots that are open are from the bid last July, when these spots are filled it will be a new ballgame and there should be more RJ spots opening up. Thats what I think will happen anyhow. But the next 2-3 classes can plan on flying a Dash out of YUL.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:54 pm

Sorta off topic but isn't Montreal more expensive than T.O for houses? And once again Glen, just to comfirm that a guy would not be able to commute to YUL from lets say Ottawa? kinda strange.

Blue Yonder · Post by **Blue Yonder** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:33 pm

Last I checked, the YUL housing market is cheaper than YYZ.
As for the commuting...we're piggy-backing off of mainline; they figger since they're hiring for YYZ, they'll only accomidate us to YYZ.

Blue

iaflyguy · Post by **iaflyguy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:41 pm

sorry, I'm still a little confused about the commuting issue. If a pilots lives in YYZ and gets a base in YUL will they be able to commute?

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:28 pm

No not for six months, only YYZ based pilots can commute right from the get go.

iaflyguy · Post by **iaflyguy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:48 pm

the family will be happy to hear that! here's hoping new spots open up in YYZ soon ... I'd hate to have to support the Rails for commuting!

Obbie · Post by **Obbie** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:50 pm

Man, the flying out of Montreal is gross too compared to the other bases.

I feel sorry for the guys who have no choice but YUL.

At least the women are better in Montreal !!!!!!

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:11 pm

I hope that this is not true. Anyhow, in my interview, they told me that i was interviewing for a Dash Position in YYZ, not YUL. Would that hold up do you think??? But once again, i sure as hell hope this is all rumour!!

someguy2 · Post by **someguy2** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:40 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but if one accepts a Dash position in YUL in April, can he not bid another base in June with the new bid?

socrates · Post by **socrates** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:46 pm

Glen if you have a moment I have a question.

A friend of mine was called for an interview on march 30 he was told that this was the last date for interviews, should he be successful he would be put in a pool for future consideration.

After these last 40 pilots are hired are they going to stop hiring until the new bid comes out?

Or has something changed now and the hiring will continue indefinately?

Thanks in advance!

buuzz · Post by **buuzz** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:50 pm

Glen Q or anyone else. If one were to draw Montreal in one of the next 2-3 ground schools what is the likelihood of transfering to Toronto or even better Calgary come the July bid? Also, will those in the next 2-3 ground schools have priority over those hired after the July bid regarding new dash 8 spots in Toronto, Calgary etc?

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:00 pm

Not totally sure if there will be a pause in the hiring until people can bid where they want to go in July, either way there will be 200+ more hires, or so I was told. I doubt they will stop but who knows, don't forget the 240 people they are hiring was to fill a need presented in the bid last July, not factoring in people leaving, plenty people have left since last July. All I really know is 40 more spots on this bid as mentioned above and then 160 more give or take. Beyond that who knows

I am sure the bid in July will open up bases everywhere so the stay in YUL would be short lived, considering if you start in April you would be finishing training in late July.

stevewilson · Post by **stevewilson** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:26 pm

How can Jazz afford to sustain the losses of all these people leaving without even the hint of introducing a deterrent of some sort? I have heard even new hires (some with only 4-6 months of service) have bolted for greener pastures. Any nasty rumors of bonds, or are these people just considered the minority and an unfortunate cost of doing business?

Jazz is a good company, but most of the newbies that I know are only just lukewarm about being there. A high proportion of them are looking for something else, implying it is only yet another stepping stone to the ultimate job.

JZA · Post by **JZA** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:47 pm

I'm a newbie....and I absolutely love it here at JAZZ!

Everyone I've talked to loves it here.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 am

Jazz will always be a stepping stone. SOme will stay until they retire and others will move on. I doubt ALPA woul stand for a training bond. If the company was worried about the revolving door, they would make it a beter place to work. Obviously, they are not worried.

someguy2 · Post by **someguy2** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:00 am

I find it curious you call it a steping stone.
Having flown very big jets, I have decided that Jazz with it's associated benefits and lifestlye is about the best thing going.
It is a huge pay cut, but seeing my kids grow up is more important.

Admitedly, it tool me a while to convince myself, but as I head out this am to do my Jazz medical, I cannot wait to get the call.

iaflyguy · Post by **iaflyguy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:50 am

can't confirm this, but my impression was that they were warning March interviews that there might be a pool as they're likely interviewing a few more people than they have space for in initial contract. However, it appears that there won't be a pool as much as just a slower transition from interview stages to groundschool.

windshear · Post by **windshear** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:38 am

The lady on the phone told me that interviews in YZ on April the 4th would be the last for a while. So maybe there is a pool.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:13 pm

I think a lot of people need to cool down a bit. You are getting hired by a decent airline - stop worrying about it.

Point 1 - Jazz is a great place to work. It may be a stepping stone for some, but you can easily spend your career here.

Point 2 - Dash or RJ - who cares? the jet is fun, but the pay is the same.

Point 3 - If you get YUL, you will have first pick to bid out before any YYZ based new hires get it. You might spend no more than a couple months there. Perhaps, you'll even bid out before your training is done. I know of a new hire who got CRJ FO YYC effective in the summer.

Captain Esq. · Post by **Captain Esq.** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:15 pm

Jazz seems like a good gig... no question. But it comes as a huge concern when I hear that all the positions are now in Montreal and that no commuting is allowed from that base. That may even prove to be a showstopper for me. Initially, I was told the position was a for a Dash 8 at the YYZ base. Then when I interviewed, the guy said, "We don't care where you live". Then I went to a sim eval, and I'm going for a medical next week. Seeing as I'm a svelte young man, healthy as an ox, I'm anticipating doing ok there, too. In my experience, if you're at the medical stage, you're pretty much hired. (Maybe I'm wrong, but this isn't the point I'm making). I've got a house and a mortgage out west, and this is where I'm planning on living into the forseeable future, and I will commute. Frankly, I can't afford to keep my place and move out to Montreal, even for a couple of months until a YYZ spot comes open. Will I know this for sure from Jazz BEFORE I quit my job and head out there for groundschool? Or do I need to discover this purely from a rumour network? This is a pretty big deal. How can I find out for sure?

C/E

Captain Esq. · Post by **Captain Esq.** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:16 pm

Edited to remove double post... sorry!

abflyguy · Post by **abflyguy** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:30 pm

Hey

I think there is a little confusion going on here with the bases and commuting. If you went to the interview I imagine they said it was for a YYZ position. If not you may have to go somewhere else as a base but you can commute. The deal is that you don't get passes for the first 6 months which after all your training is done will mean possibly 4 months of being on your own. If they interviewed you for a YYZ postition and they don't have any left I am sure they will make some arrangements.
The current situation is that if you choose the YYZ base you get passes for yourself from day one but the othere bases aren't included in that.

Once you choose your base you can't take a spot from someone else who comes in a later groundschool. The bases available at the seniority hat drawing are all that are available at that time.

I don't know about a ton of people leaving Jazz but I have been here since the 20th of Feb and all the people I have met (too many to count) are very happy here.

Anyone have questions for a recently hired feel free to IM me.

Hope this helped.

Maxxed out · Post by **Maxxed out** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:16 am

I believe the commuting policy was made for Mainline, and they were hiring only for YYZ, so you can only commute to-from YYZ. Any other base you are on your own. If they tell you that you are being hired for YYZ, I would have to think that from what I have seen they are being honest and you will be able to get YYZ. I think they are easy-going enough that you could ask them the question about which base you are being hired for without getting shit-listed. So basically, if you only want YYZ, ask them about it.

Good luck