What about the senior guy?

[Ratherbe]

I get it, this MOA was designed to help out the junior pilots and acknowledge that they were severely hurt during Covid. I strongly support that. But senior guys have concerns too. Many of us are about to retire and face the uncertainty of how long our fixed pension payments will hold up against inflation. The annual 4% MPU increases end soon. Unlike the CWIPP, our pension is vulnerable to the Company’s business plan and could get gutted if AC dies before my spouse and I die.

No wet lease credits for us, just a tiny raise for year 13/14. We need gains too, just like the junior pilots.

[RRJetPilot]

I get it, this MOA was designed to help out the junior pilots and acknowledge that they were severely hurt during Covid. I strongly support that. But senior guys have concerns too. Many of us are about to retire and face the uncertainty of how long our fixed pension payments will hold up against inflation. The annual 4% MPU increases end soon. Unlike the CWIPP, our pension is vulnerable to the Company’s business plan and could get gutted if AC dies before my spouse and I die.

No wet lease credits for us, just a tiny raise for year 13/14. We need gains too, just like the junior pilots.

Stop trolling. This is garbage for junior pilots. Im on flat pay and don't know a single junior pilot that doesn't see though this. All NO votes. ALL OF THEM. All can see past garbage temporary gains for PERMANENT concessions for the REST of their career.

Horrible troll BTW. A laughed a little when you said "designed to help out the junior pilots and acknowledge that they were severely hurt during Covid"

[rudder]

Junior (flat pay) needs to increase minimum 50%.

Senior (everybody else) needs to increase minimum 10%.

First issue is to see what the result is on Oct 11. Based on the result this debate may become a moot point, at least until normal course bargaining begins in late 2023.

p.s. Jazz pilots are in the same boat except no leverage other than market forces for pilot labour supply.

[link821]

Yeah you might have to cut out the avocado toast or sell the sail boat!

[Stu Pidasso]

I fit that bill, double digit seniority. We sat and did nothing while "Pension Indexation" was stolen from us - another brilliant ACPA legacy.

I know Senior Pilots that are voting "no" to this because it has no MPU improvements attached. For me this is about the Junior Pilots and Flat Pay but I do agree that we need to do something about our overfunded DB Plan.

Feel sorry for the Pilots that retired 10 years ago, the loss they have had with inflation is brutal.

[altiplano]

I get it, this MOA was designed to help out the junior pilots and acknowledge that they were severely hurt during Covid. I strongly support that. But senior guys have concerns too. Many of us are about to retire and face the uncertainty of how long our fixed pension payments will hold up against inflation. The annual 4% MPU increases end soon. Unlike the CWIPP, our pension is vulnerable to the Company’s business plan and could get gutted if AC dies before my spouse and I die.

No wet lease credits for us, just a tiny raise for year 13/14. We need gains too, just like the junior pilots.

Sounds like you're a solid No vote.

There should be more for everyone here, and we shouldn't be making permanent concessions.

The fixed pay fix isn't enough, and 4 year flat is still in LOU74. Looks like that will be the new new-hire position everyone is trying to get off to get on formula. Like when we had the pay group.

The wet lease credits are not a certainty, and a couple thousand bucks one time payment, at most? Yawn.

The year 13/14 thing is ridiculous too, a few bucks an hour? In this inflationary environment? When we're so far behind?

I even saw Mike McKay was against this! This thing is such a piece of garbage it's surreal that they would roll it out.

[rudder]

Yeah you might have to cut out the avocado toast or sell the sail boat!

What would you rather make as NB CA - $240 or $264?

You will spend most of your career as NB CA. Think about it….

[link821]

No I get it, I should have added that I was being a smart ass..across the board there needs to be raises

[Freshredmeat]

I fit that bill, double digit seniority. We sat and did nothing while "Pension Indexation" was stolen from us - another brilliant ACPA legacy.

I know Senior Pilots that are voting "no" to this because it has no MPU improvements attached. For me this is about the Junior Pilots and Flat Pay but I do agree that we need to do something about our overfunded DB Plan.

Feel sorry for the Pilots that retired 10 years ago, the loss they have had with inflation is brutal.

As a junior guy...

The junior folks want you to vote NO

[SportingRifle.]

Not enough in it for this 777C so I'm a "No" as well

The avocado toast generation is always whining anyways. Time for them to strap on those work boots and pay their dues

[MontrealCanucks]

Lol...

So lots of No Votes albeit for completely differently reasons

Do AC Pilots finally have solidarity?!