Exciting!

[chowda]

That's what they call this job, which they've posted numpteen times to no avail, in one of Canada's larger city's.

So if anyone can help me out can you point where,in their essay long job ad, that they describe anything "exciting"???

It's not wages because again, like is typical, there is no reference to the peso's you will be making.

Exciting AME M Opportunities in YYC
Post by heavyaeroebanks » Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:06 am

HeavyAero Maintenance Centre is looking for full-time contract employees in Calgary for an exciting long term opportunity.

POSITION SUMMARY
The AME is responsible to the Director of Maintenance (PRM) to carry out maintenance, repair and overhaul of aircraft per Company’s approvals, in accordance with the policies and procedures defined in both the HeavyAero’s Maintenance Policy Manual (MPM) and the applicable Maintenance Control Manual (MCM).

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES
The AME duties include, but are not limited to:
• Carry out maintenance, repair, modification, overhaul and alteration services of aircraft and aeronautical products listed within HeavyAero’s scope of work
• Signing of the maintenance release for certified aircraft
• Ensure assigned maintenance personnel have the necessary training and authorizations required to perform maintenance on the aircraft and aeronautical products
• Ensure assigned maintenance personnel are familiar with and have access to the applicable up-to-date MPM, MCM, regulatory and technical publications
• Ensure timely and accurate Technical Record entries are completed as required
• Identify defects and ensure Service Difficulty Reports are submitted for aeronautical products in accordance with the regulatory requirements
• Ensure ground support equipment is properly maintained and facilities are clean, safe and appropriately equipped
• Monitor work performed by sub-contractors ensuring compliance with the MPM, the applicable MCM and regulatory requirements
• Work as a lead hand as required, providing mentorship and supervision of non-licensed & licenced personnel, ensuring transfer of critical knowledge and workmanship
• Lead by example and be a positive role model for others to follow
• Perform other related activities, as necessary or as assigned by management
• Actively participate in the HeavyAero Safety Management System and Quality Assurance programs
• Respect and uphold all the Company policies, procedures & performance expectations

SKILLS AND QUALIFICATIONS:
Candidates must have a positive ‘can-do’ attitude as well as proven expertise in performing maintenance and repairs in accordance with their training, regulatory requirements and company procedures. You will require knowledge of aircraft materials and parts and a strong understanding of the regulations governing their acceptance for certified aircraft and the process of quarantine action.

Minimum Requirements:
• Post-Secondary education in Aircraft Maintenance Engineering or equivalent
• Valid Aircraft Maintenance Engineer License-M2 Rating ** M1 Rating considered an asset
• One (1) to three (3) years of experience working as a Certified Aircraft Maintenance Engineer
• Transport Canada approved type course on at least one (1) aircraft included within HeavyAero’s scope of work
considered an asset
• A & P license considered an asset

Strong knowledge of:
• All related regulatory requirements
• Safety Management Systems & safe work practices

Proven success with:
• Working effectively in unpredictable environments
• Performing under pressure and the ability to multitask while paying close attention to details and the surrounding environment
• Prioritizing work and organizational skills
• Ability to be a team player with a professional attitude
• Mechanical aptitude
• Exceptional communication skills, both verbal and written to ensure safe and compliant outcomes
• Understanding the effect of Human Factors in Maintenance operations

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
• Flexibility to work shift work and additional hours including evenings and weekends as required This must be it
• Must be legally entitled to work in Canada
• Must be able to acquire and maintain a Restricted Airside Identification Card (RAIC)
• Must be able to acquire and maintain an Airside Vehicle Operator’s Permit (AVOP)
• Must have a clean criminal record
• Must hold and maintain a valid passport and driver’s license
• Must hold a current AME license
• Due to the safety sensitive nature of the job and possible customer requirements, applicants must be willing to complete pre-employment and random drug and alcohol testing

WORKING CONDITIONS AND PHYSICAL EFFORT no, this is it
• Work involves exposure to unusual elements such as dirt, dust, fumes, extreme temperatures, humidity, darkness, and noise
• Work involves physical risks such as working around mechanical, chemical and electrical hazards which can be dangerous if not handled correctly
• Must be able to meet the physical tasks of the job (e.g. standing, walking, wearing a respirator, climbing, pushing, pulling, lifting, working from heights & confined spaces etc.)
• Must be able to see, hear and properly communicate with others

Personal protective equipment, as defined by the Company, will be provided and must be worn.

Contact info@heavyareo.com with questions.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

That's what they call this job, which they've posted numpteen times to no avail, in one of Canada's larger city's.

So if anyone can help me out can you point where,in their essay long jod ad, that they describe anything "exciting"???

It's not wages because again, like is typical, there is no reference to the peso's you will be making.

Exciting AME M Opportunities in YYC
Post by heavyaeroebanks » Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:06 am

HeavyAero Maintenance Centre is looking for full-time contract employees in Calgary for an exciting long term opportunity.

POSITION SUMMARY
The AME is responsible to the Director of Maintenance (PRM) to carry out maintenance, repair and overhaul of aircraft per Company’s approvals, in accordance with the policies and procedures defined in both the HeavyAero’s Maintenance Policy Manual (MPM) and the applicable Maintenance Control Manual (MCM).

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES
The AME duties include, but are not limited to:
• Carry out maintenance, repair, modification, overhaul and alteration services of aircraft and aeronautical products listed within HeavyAero’s scope of work
• Signing of the maintenance release for certified aircraft
• Ensure assigned maintenance personnel have the necessary training and authorizations required to perform maintenance on the aircraft and aeronautical products
• Ensure assigned maintenance personnel are familiar with and have access to the applicable up-to-date MPM, MCM, regulatory and technical publications
• Ensure timely and accurate Technical Record entries are completed as required
• Identify defects and ensure Service Difficulty Reports are submitted for aeronautical products in accordance with the regulatory requirements
• Ensure ground support equipment is properly maintained and facilities are clean, safe and appropriately equipped
• Monitor work performed by sub-contractors ensuring compliance with the MPM, the applicable MCM and regulatory requirements
• Work as a lead hand as required, providing mentorship and supervision of non-licensed & licenced personnel, ensuring transfer of critical knowledge and workmanship
• Lead by example and be a positive role model for others to follow
• Perform other related activities, as necessary or as assigned by management
• Actively participate in the HeavyAero Safety Management System and Quality Assurance programs
• Respect and uphold all the Company policies, procedures & performance expectations

SKILLS AND QUALIFICATIONS:
Candidates must have a positive ‘can-do’ attitude as well as proven expertise in performing maintenance and repairs in accordance with their training, regulatory requirements and company procedures. You will require knowledge of aircraft materials and parts and a strong understanding of the regulations governing their acceptance for certified aircraft and the process of quarantine action.

Minimum Requirements:
• Post-Secondary education in Aircraft Maintenance Engineering or equivalent
• Valid Aircraft Maintenance Engineer License-M2 Rating ** M1 Rating considered an asset
• One (1) to three (3) years of experience working as a Certified Aircraft Maintenance Engineer
• Transport Canada approved type course on at least one (1) aircraft included within HeavyAero’s scope of work
considered an asset
• A & P license considered an asset

Strong knowledge of:
• All related regulatory requirements
• Safety Management Systems & safe work practices

Proven success with:
• Working effectively in unpredictable environments
• Performing under pressure and the ability to multitask while paying close attention to details and the surrounding environment
• Prioritizing work and organizational skills
• Ability to be a team player with a professional attitude
• Mechanical aptitude
• Exceptional communication skills, both verbal and written to ensure safe and compliant outcomes
• Understanding the effect of Human Factors in Maintenance operations

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
• Flexibility to work shift work and additional hours including evenings and weekends as required This must be it
• Must be legally entitled to work in Canada
• Must be able to acquire and maintain a Restricted Airside Identification Card (RAIC)
• Must be able to acquire and maintain an Airside Vehicle Operator’s Permit (AVOP)
• Must have a clean criminal record
• Must hold and maintain a valid passport and driver’s license
• Must hold a current AME license
• Due to the safety sensitive nature of the job and possible customer requirements, applicants must be willing to complete pre-employment and random drug and alcohol testing

WORKING CONDITIONS AND PHYSICAL EFFORT no, this is it
• Work involves exposure to unusual elements such as dirt, dust, fumes, extreme temperatures, humidity, darkness, and noise
• Work involves physical risks such as working around mechanical, chemical and electrical hazards which can be dangerous if not handled correctly
• Must be able to meet the physical tasks of the job (e.g. standing, walking, wearing a respirator, climbing, pushing, pulling, lifting, working from heights & confined spaces etc.)
• Must be able to see, hear and properly communicate with others

Personal protective equipment, as defined by the Company, will be provided and must be worn.

Contact info@heavyareo.com with questions.

39 bullet points and about 100 prerequisites listed in this job ad, and not one mention of what the pay is lol

[Bug_Stomper_01]

“• One (1) to three (3) years of experience working as a Certified Aircraft Maintenance Engineer”. Which roughly translates to “fully charged aerosexual that will endure all of the unbridled abuse we’re willing to dish out”.
Anyone licensed any longer than that becomes self aware of the crap conditions they’re in and are a flight risk.

[chowda]

It is interesting how they specify a min/max for their requirements and it is most likely for the reasons you offered.

Simple reality is that its the horny green license holders that they are/will be able to coerce, manipulate, and be pay poorly verses a 5+ year experienced ame.

Im sure they are well aware of what personell profile fits their business model, lol.


Back on the "exciting" point, anybody know what these guys pay and why the last DOM left recently???

viewtopic.php?p=1221727#p1221727


Usually when I see any company posting job ads as much as these guys do, and then a DOM position vacates, its pretty evident in addittion to the ridiculous, no pay mentioned, demanding tone of their ad's, that all is not well in said company.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

It is interesting how they specify a min/max for their requirements and it is most likely for the reasons you offered.

Simple reality is that its the horny green license holders that they are/will be able to coerce, manipulate, and be pay poorly verses a 5+ year experienced ame.

Im sure they are well aware of what personell profile fits their business model, lol.


Back on the "exciting" point, anybody know what these guys pay and why the last DOM left recently???

viewtopic.php?p=1221727#p1221727


Usually when I see any company posting job ads as much as these guys do, and then a DOM position vacates, its pretty evident in addittion to the ridiculous, no pay mentioned, demanding tone of their ad's, that all is not well in said company.

Agreed. I see the exact same positions posted habitually in management companies (some WAY more than others) for the reasons we’ve posted above. It is indeed a part of their business strategy. Run through the experience and fill the gap with clueless greenhorns. It’s been this way since the Wright brothers ffs.

[RLK]

Show me on the doll where the big bad AMO touched you.

I think the worst thing about the ad is not listing a wage. Would "looking for airplane mechanic, send resumes" be better?

Lots of jobs are similar, and have shift work, and for the same or less pay.
https://ca.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=6b7a ... fcu27u8000

[chowda]

Then go fill your boots, rookie.

If haven't been paying attention, greenhorn enthusiasts are just what theyre after.

Then again, maybe you're already there, considering you did cars in yyc for years.

In any case, enjoy your poor choice of going into aircraft maintenance in Canada.

[RLK]

Then go fill your boots, rookie.

If haven't been paying attention, greenhorn enthusiasts are just what theyre after.

Then again, maybe you're already there, considering you did cars in yyc for years.

In any case, enjoy your poor choice of going into aircraft maintenance in Canada.

I do not work for this company.

You make it sound like being green and enthusiastic is a bad thing. I have absolutely no problem or shame being a rookie.
This company may be looking to exploit a new AME, so what? The AME will gain a pay cheque, hands on experience, and experience on how to not be manipulated/taken advantage of. The company will get cheaper labor from someone who is not an arrogant succubus, yet. The building block to move into greener pasture has to be built somewhere.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Then go fill your boots, rookie.

If haven't been paying attention, greenhorn enthusiasts are just what theyre after.

Then again, maybe you're already there, considering you did cars in yyc for years.

In any case, enjoy your poor choice of going into aircraft maintenance in Canada.

I do not work for this company.

You make it sound like being green and enthusiastic is a bad thing. I have absolutely no problem or shame being a rookie.
This company may be looking to exploit a new AME, so what? The AME will gain a pay cheque, hands on experience, and experience on how to not be manipulated/taken advantage of. The company will get cheaper labor from someone who is not an arrogant succubus, yet. The building block to move into greener pasture has to be built somewhere.

Are you employed as an apprentice yet?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Then go fill your boots, rookie.

If haven't been paying attention, greenhorn enthusiasts are just what theyre after.

Then again, maybe you're already there, considering you did cars in yyc for years.

In any case, enjoy your poor choice of going into aircraft maintenance in Canada.

RLK is definitely going to be thinking about these warnings in the coming years. I don’t know one AME that doesn’t think about the guys that warned them about this crap in Canada.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Show me on the doll where the big bad AMO touched you.

I think the worst thing about the ad is not listing a wage. Would "looking for airplane mechanic, send resumes" be better?

Lots of jobs are similar, and have shift work, and for the same or less pay.
https://ca.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=6b7a ... fcu27u8000

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

[mmm...bacon]

39 bullet points and about 100 prerequisites listed in this job ad, and not one mention of what the pay is lol

That's 'cos it's 'industry standard' or 'according to company payscale' , silly!

[RLK]

Show me on the doll where the big bad AMO touched you.

I think the worst thing about the ad is not listing a wage. Would "looking for airplane mechanic, send resumes" be better?

Lots of jobs are similar, and have shift work, and for the same or less pay.
https://ca.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=6b7a ... fcu27u8000

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

I have also had aircraft apprentices that didn't stay in automotives.

I understand there is a lot of liability in repairing an aircraft, but there is liability in repairing anything that moves people. What are these similarly liable jobs? I'm actually curious.

I have to ask, why are you still here? Why are still doing this career? We live in a time that has glorified the white collar, people that can repair and work in harsh conditions have the ability to gain employment in many different industries with ease. If fixing flying objects is so bad, why have you done it for decades? Why are you not working on the patch rolling cabbage as a HD tech?

[RLK]

Then go fill your boots, rookie.

If haven't been paying attention, greenhorn enthusiasts are just what theyre after.

Then again, maybe you're already there, considering you did cars in yyc for years.

In any case, enjoy your poor choice of going into aircraft maintenance in Canada.

I do not work for this company.

You make it sound like being green and enthusiastic is a bad thing. I have absolutely no problem or shame being a rookie.
This company may be looking to exploit a new AME, so what? The AME will gain a pay cheque, hands on experience, and experience on how to not be manipulated/taken advantage of. The company will get cheaper labor from someone who is not an arrogant succubus, yet. The building block to move into greener pasture has to be built somewhere.

Are you employed as an apprentice yet?

My wife is on mat leave for another year, once she is back full time I can make a career change.

For the job in question, I'm assuming a bit on the pay. Basing it off what others are paying in the area. This job is like a 25 minute drive from my house.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Show me on the doll where the big bad AMO touched you.

I think the worst thing about the ad is not listing a wage. Would "looking for airplane mechanic, send resumes" be better?

Lots of jobs are similar, and have shift work, and for the same or less pay.
https://ca.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=6b7a ... fcu27u8000

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

I have also had aircraft apprentices that didn't stay in automotives.

I understand there is a lot of liability in repairing an aircraft, but there is liability in repairing anything that moves people. What are these similarly liable jobs? I'm actually curious.

I have to ask, why are you still here? Why are still doing this career? We live in a time that has glorified the white collar, people that can repair and work in harsh conditions have the ability to gain employment in many different industries with ease. If fixing flying objects is so bad, why have you done it for decades? Why are you not working on the patch rolling cabbage as a HD tech?

If you read back in this thread I mentioned something about a long hard grind to get to a point where you can set your own rate. Not many people do that because of the huge sacrifice. I have done it, I can set my rate, was it worth it? In hind sight, No.
About half to two thirds of my career in Canada was still the same BS but we were actually being paid well for it. The other half to one third, well, the industry imploded, helicopters were a booming and challenging career when I got in. Now you can hear a pin drop in the spring and summer, times have changed and the industry absolutely f**cking SUCKS!
All that is left is an empty shell. I got out when I saw what was happening at management level knowing full well what the industry’s future was. Fast forward to now several of the largest companies with 30+ to over 60 years in service are gone, not to mention one of the largest scaling back and delisting from the TSE. I hate being right about that but I was, and it gives me no pleasure stating the facts. I was part of management meetings between shareholders and the knowledge I had then, still rings true today.

I’m at this point now and making what I should in the USA, Canada is a joke I haven’t worked full time there in years. I still am a licensed HD and have a shop back home I help out with when I’m available.
The reason I am on this forum again after almost 20 years of absence is to educate the industry through my experience. I wouldn’t want anyone else to go down this road without knowing exactly what they’re getting into (especially in Canadian aviation). I’ve highlighted what the problems and pitfalls are with this small gross industry in other posts.
I’ll continue to educate here as long as I’m allowed to. I’m not surprised I’m not alone here on this forum with similarly experienced ames cautioning the community.

I wish the industry was a good one, the fact is it’s bleeding to death from a change in economy and several self inflicted wounds.

The industry now feeds on green pilots and ames’ naïveté, lack of knowledge and self awareness. “1-3 years experience”. That’s about how long it takes for people to wake up from the coolaide they drink stepping into their first employment.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

39 bullet points and about 100 prerequisites listed in this job ad, and not one mention of what the pay is lol

That's 'cos it's 'industry standard' or 'according to company payscale' , silly!

“Industry standard” LOL now if that’s not oxymoronic I don’t know what is!

[Pat Richard]

Show me on the doll where the big bad AMO touched you.

I think the worst thing about the ad is not listing a wage. Would "looking for airplane mechanic, send resumes" be better?

Lots of jobs are similar, and have shift work, and for the same or less pay.
https://ca.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=6b7a ... fcu27u8000

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

I have also had aircraft apprentices that didn't stay in automotives.

I understand there is a lot of liability in repairing an aircraft, but there is liability in repairing anything that moves people. What are these similarly liable jobs? I'm actually curious.

I have to ask, why are you still here? Why are still doing this career? We live in a time that has glorified the white collar, people that can repair and work in harsh conditions have the ability to gain employment in many different industries with ease. If fixing flying objects is so bad, why have you done it for decades? Why are you not working on the patch rolling cabbage as a HD tech?

So I have to ask what are you doing here mocking experienced peoples comments when you have eff all experience/not employed in the industry being discussed???

I get that you've apparently wrenched on european luxury cars and kia's, but quite bluntly, you have zero business telling any experienced AME anything about this business.

Go serve your time after next year for three or so years doing 12 hour rotating graveyard shifts, over weekends/holidays, quite possibly outside out of the back of a truck/van,earning around $20 a/hr and maybe $30 when licensed initially .

Then come back and tell the 10,15,20,25+ years guys what they should be thinking and how wrong they all were/are.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

I have also had aircraft apprentices that didn't stay in automotives.

I understand there is a lot of liability in repairing an aircraft, but there is liability in repairing anything that moves people. What are these similarly liable jobs? I'm actually curious.

I have to ask, why are you still here? Why are still doing this career? We live in a time that has glorified the white collar, people that can repair and work in harsh conditions have the ability to gain employment in many different industries with ease. If fixing flying objects is so bad, why have you done it for decades? Why are you not working on the patch rolling cabbage as a HD tech?

So I have to ask what are you doing here mocking experienced peoples comments when you have eff all experience/not employed in the industry being discussed???

I get that you've apparently wrenched on european luxury cars and kia's, but quite bluntly, you have zero business telling any experienced AME anything about this business.

Go serve your time after next year for three or so years doing 12 hour rotating graveyard shifts, over weekends/holidays, quite possibly outside out of the back of a truck/van,earning around $20 a/hr and maybe $30 when licensed initially .

Then come back and tell the 10,15,20,25+ years guys what they should be thinking and how wrong they all were/are.

A lot of guys that change to this industry do so believing falsehoods cultivated by company HR and College advertising. Anytime I had new guys in for an interview I’d be the only one laying out the salary to be expected for the next five years and the expectations of the AME / Apprentice.
It was only fair to them and the company, sure it made the hiring process longer but also ensured the employee would last rather than bait and switch them into something they would clearly quit from in a few years.
These days the industry only wants that, cheaper less experienced guys they can run hard after signing a training bond then boot out the door after they’re rode hard and played out. It’s f’n disgusting!

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I do not work for this company.

You make it sound like being green and enthusiastic is a bad thing. I have absolutely no problem or shame being a rookie.
This company may be looking to exploit a new AME, so what? The AME will gain a pay cheque, hands on experience, and experience on how to not be manipulated/taken advantage of. The company will get cheaper labor from someone who is not an arrogant succubus, yet. The building block to move into greener pasture has to be built somewhere.

Are you employed as an apprentice yet?

My wife is on mat leave for another year, once she is back full time I can make a career change.

For the job in question, I'm assuming a bit on the pay. Basing it off what others are paying in the area. This job is like a 25 minute drive from my house.

Don’t assume ANYTHING in this damn industry. If you tell me the type of equipment you’ll be working on I can get you a salary

[RLK]

I don’t think you can attest to “the same or less pay” when the ad doesn’t list the wage. Furthermore other jobs on shift work do not have the same liability. Similarly liable jobs are paid much more in Canada.
This industry chews up greenhorns and spits them out. Once you’re more experienced and IF you have any skill / specialized knowledge (which takes YEARS of long hard grinding, MRO and manufacturer experience) you MIGHT be able to set your own rate.

In the decades I’ve been doing this I can say without a doubt this industry is the worst it’s ever been. Anyone with any experience I’ve cited above are mostly extinct with the exception of a few fossils available here and there overseeing a bunch of newbies. Anyone with self worth is now working outside of Canada or out of the industry altogether.

P.S. I have had automotive apprentices, none of them stayed in the industry.

I have also had aircraft apprentices that didn't stay in automotives.

I understand there is a lot of liability in repairing an aircraft, but there is liability in repairing anything that moves people. What are these similarly liable jobs? I'm actually curious.

I have to ask, why are you still here? Why are still doing this career? We live in a time that has glorified the white collar, people that can repair and work in harsh conditions have the ability to gain employment in many different industries with ease. If fixing flying objects is so bad, why have you done it for decades? Why are you not working on the patch rolling cabbage as a HD tech?

So I have to ask what are you doing here mocking experienced peoples comments when you have eff all experience/not employed in the industry being discussed???

I get that you've apparently wrenched on european luxury cars and kia's, but quite bluntly, you have zero business telling any experienced AME anything about this business.

Go serve your time after next year for three or so years doing 12 hour rotating graveyard shifts, over weekends/holidays, quite possibly outside out of the back of a truck/van,earning around $20 a/hr and maybe $30 when licensed initially .

Then come back and tell the 10,15,20,25+ years guys what they should be thinking and how wrong they all were/are.

Mocking is not my intention, I apologize if it has come off that way.

Almost all of the same things that are being complained about in aircraft repair, are also complained about in automotives. All of the warnings that I received 20 years ago about fixing cars, most turned out to not be true. Im not trying to discredit anyone's experience, just trying to see what I'm up against.