TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:36 pm
TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k
COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k
COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.
-
- Rank 2
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:00 pm
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
The FO side is extremely disappointing. Any other important takeaways from the TA? This is still a TA, correct? Not an arbitrated decision or binding in any way and still needs to be voted on?
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Disappointed.
Last one here turn off the lights
Last one here turn off the lights
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
The FO pay is disappointing I agree. Will not solve the retention problem. Theres a bunch who were waiting to see the new contract before applying elsewhere. Rest of the details will follow.
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Well, looks like the capts got a desperately needed 30% bump across the board.
FO side 4-8%. Starting is acceptable but IMO it should top out a little higher.
Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.
Could be worse, it's a low cost airline flying 738s. Hopefully the capt pay will wake up some other airlines.
Good start anyways until the retention/signing bonuses culminate industry-wide within a few years.
FO side 4-8%. Starting is acceptable but IMO it should top out a little higher.
Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.
Could be worse, it's a low cost airline flying 738s. Hopefully the capt pay will wake up some other airlines.
Good start anyways until the retention/signing bonuses culminate industry-wide within a few years.
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Any other info like MMG?
Pay is important but other details matter.
Pay is important but other details matter.
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
I don’t think Flair currently has any problem attracting FOs. The problem is keeping them long enough to go left seat and stay there instead of leaving for AC. The new Capt pay may give them reason to stay at Flair, depending on what the rest of the package looks like.
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
That table says the current MMG is 80. The proposed TA goes to 85
-
- Rank 5
- Posts: 340
- Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:59 am
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Current mmg is 80. This represents a 5 hrs/month increase to 85 and an extra day of work for many individuals depending on their position on the seniority list.
Hearing resoundingly no votes at this point.
Hearing resoundingly no votes at this point.
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 188
- Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:32 am
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
You got a photo of the TA or something?Apestogetherstrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:10 pm Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k
COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 188
- Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:32 am
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Do you accure years of service when upgrading to captain? How does that work
-
- Rank 1
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:58 pm
-
- Rank 5
- Posts: 340
- Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:59 am
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
No.Aspiredtofly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:02 pm Do you accure years of service when upgrading to captain? How does that work
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Here you goAspiredtofly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:00 pmYou got a photo of the TA or something?Apestogetherstrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:10 pm Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k
COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.
- Attachments
-
- 5D5C9211-96CB-4DD8-B8CB-46646FC2F9F9.png (1.96 MiB) Viewed 6664 times
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
I wish for yours and all our sakes that were the case. But for now…
737 Capt. Day - 216 Night- 244
FO Day - 145. Night - 162
Plus Nav and Ovrseas.
-
- Rank 3
- Posts: 188
- Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:32 am
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Can't you guys vote this shit down or something? Like how can you increase the dbm rate upto 85hrs/month. Also what's with the 9% increase for first officers? Didn't some guy mention it was supposed to be 88k for first years? Wtf dudeApestogetherstrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:17 pmHere you goAspiredtofly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:00 pmYou got a photo of the TA or something?Apestogetherstrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:10 pm Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k
COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Hold on.
80 to 85 hrs is an extra 6% of work. For a 4% pay raise on the FO side?
Am I interpreting this incorrectly, or do they actually want you to take a PAY CUT???
80 to 85 hrs is an extra 6% of work. For a 4% pay raise on the FO side?
Am I interpreting this incorrectly, or do they actually want you to take a PAY CUT???
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
9 years for FO’s to break 100k and the same for skippers to break 200k. Ouch.
But did any of you actually think a ULCC in its infancy, with huge expansion plans was going to come throw a pile of cash at you and be the first Canadian carrier to lead the way with pay raises. You should be taken out back and shot if you honestly thought that was going to be the case.
But did any of you actually think a ULCC in its infancy, with huge expansion plans was going to come throw a pile of cash at you and be the first Canadian carrier to lead the way with pay raises. You should be taken out back and shot if you honestly thought that was going to be the case.
-
- Rank 2
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:47 pm
Re: TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS
Some more charts for reference ...
Looks like a no to me!
Looks like a no to me!
- Attachments
-
- PHOTO-2022-12-05-22-19-54.jpg (99.56 KiB) Viewed 6562 times
-
- PHOTO-2022-12-05-22-19-53.jpg (107.14 KiB) Viewed 6562 times
-
- PHOTO-2022-12-05-22-30-33.jpg (414.18 KiB) Viewed 6562 times