Tdicommuter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:28 pm
tbaylx wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:57 pm
Tdicommuter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:39 am
I just had a conversation with a friend in south Africa who is looking at coming over to work for flair. He is being told they would like to hire 80 DEC. To the people who think they don't need to worry about the first officer pay scale because it won't apply I would be super cautious. That many DECs will stop all upgrades for a long time. Maybe you should ask your management what that training plan actually looks like.
Again this is not me being negative or nah saying flair, more concern for people who may get screwed and not see it coming.
Your friend is badly misinformed. I heard from a friend in India that Flair will soon be flying single pilot operations with only FOs and they won’t need any captains!
I'm not sure why you think that using sarcasm is a cleaver way to respond to information. You yourself have already confirmed that flair is taking south African pilots. Are you sarcastically denying that you are hiring DECs from south Africa, or are you refuting the amount of people you are trying to bring over?
Let me ask this differently my friend who is currently undergoing the process to get a TC medical because he thinks he is going to fly for Flair, was told at the Flair roadshow that they would like to hire 80 people. So who is wrong? The rep you sent to south Africa? If I am wrong please tell us how many DECs you plan to hire because to my original point... If it's plenty, then peoples career goals may need to change. Which also means that people may get stuck in the right seat and might want that pay scale fixed now rather than later.
Apologies for the sarcasm. It struck me as ridiculous that we’d somehow disadvantage FOs here by hiring DECs.
Everyone on the property who is qualified is given the opportunity to enter the command upgrade program before DECs are hired.
I’m not going to discuss numbers on a public forum but IF we hire from SA it won’t be 80.
More importantly it doesn’t matter for FO pay. The pay levels in the proposed new contract are competitive for years 1-3. It’s a three year contract, therefore anyone looking at year four and up will get a new contract with new payscales. Anything above year three is irrelevant to a prospective new hire.
Regardless of that logic we’re taking ten aircraft a year and upgrading 75-90 pilots a year. Even if we hired 80 DECs it’s not going to substantially affect upgrade times.
Yes we could end up in a recession or COVID version 16 and everything comes to a grinding halt in the industry, in that case see above. Year 4 and up FO pay will certainly be addressed in the next contract when this one expires.
It’s the same reason years of service don’t matter right now. FOs are upgrading in under a year, so they start at year 1 Captain pay even if they carried YOS. That’s a next contract issue as well.