Evas Assisting with Immigration

[throwawaycorporate]

Evas in NL has just posted an ad for B1900 captains at 60-70K. They are apparently self aware enough that this is not competitive to Canadian pilots, so in their ad they advertise that they hire pilots from all countries and will assist with a permanent residency.

Being completely serious - is there a regulator that we can complain to about this?

Sunwing has been blocked from hiring their planned 60 foreign pilots. Let's make this happen for the other operators undercutting the industry.

[digits_]

Evas in NL has just posted an ad for B1900 captains at 60-70K. They are apparently self aware enough that this is not competitive to Canadian pilots, so in their ad they advertise that they hire pilots from all countries and will assist with a permanent residency.

Being completely serious - is there a regulator that we can complain to about this?

Sunwing has been blocked from hiring their planned 60 foreign pilots. Let's make this happen for the other operators undercutting the industry.

Do they specify how they would assist? If it's just a matter of helping filling out paperwork or other immigrant lawyer-like services, then there is likely not much you can do.

If they are going the labour market opinion way, we might have more success.

[schnitzel2k3]

Just start blacklisting foreign pilots from more mainstream opportunities who chose to support EVAS.

[goldeneagle]

If they are going the labour market opinion way, we might have more success.

The labor market stuff is with regards to getting permission for hiring TFW. What you guys are asking for, is a way to prevent the company from hiring an immigrant with PR status. Not going to happen, an immigrant has the same rights to that job as you do.

[throwawaycorporate]

If they are going the labour market opinion way, we might have more success.

The labor market stuff is with regards to getting permission for hiring TFW. What you guys are asking for, is a way to prevent the company from hiring an immigrant with PR status. Not going to happen, an immigrant has the same rights to that job as you do.

No problem with hiring a permanent resident. They are advertising they will assist with permanent residency. Very different in my opinion.

[TrilliumFlt]

Evas in NL has just posted an ad for B1900 captains at 60-70K. They are apparently self aware enough that this is not competitive to Canadian pilots, so in their ad they advertise that they hire pilots from all countries and will assist with a permanent residency.

Being completely serious - is there a regulator that we can complain to about this?

Sunwing has been blocked from hiring their planned 60 foreign pilots. Let's make this happen for the other operators undercutting the industry.

There is a significant difference between a Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) as was Sunwing's recent plan, it's been block and a supporting an person's application toward Permeant Residency (PR)

[throwawaycorporate]

Evas in NL has just posted an ad for B1900 captains at 60-70K. They are apparently self aware enough that this is not competitive to Canadian pilots, so in their ad they advertise that they hire pilots from all countries and will assist with a permanent residency.

Being completely serious - is there a regulator that we can complain to about this?

Sunwing has been blocked from hiring their planned 60 foreign pilots. Let's make this happen for the other operators undercutting the industry.

There is a significant difference between a Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) as was Sunwing's recent plan, it's been block and a supporting an person's application toward Permeant Residency (PR)

Can you please explain? Here is a quote from the ad:

"Immigration: We can do immigration process for this position to apply for permanent Resident"

It is followed up by:

"CPL / ATPL Endorsed on license / Multi IFR - From TC/ICAO/EASA/FAA2000-3000 Hours plus"

Because of the leniency of license requirements, I take this to mean that they are bringing in foreign pilots, not currently living in Canada. They are then helping them convert their license to TC and sponsor them for PR status. Should we not be upset about this? In the US if you are going to sponsor a foreign employee with green card (their version of PR), the company first needs to have a job up available to Americans, and then if no suitable applicants apply, they have to request a "prevailing wage determination" to prove to the labour board that the company is paying market rate, yet no Americans are interested.

[Loon-A-Tic]

Evas in NL has just posted an ad for B1900 captains at 60-70K. They are apparently self aware enough that this is not competitive to Canadian pilots, so in their ad they advertise that they hire pilots from all countries and will assist with a permanent residency.

Being completely serious - is there a regulator that we can complain to about this?

Sunwing has been blocked from hiring their planned 60 foreign pilots. Let's make this happen for the other operators undercutting the industry.

There is a significant difference between a Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) as was Sunwing's recent plan, it's been block and a supporting an person's application toward Permeant Residency (PR)

Can you please explain? Here is a quote from the ad:

"Immigration: We can do immigration process for this position to apply for permanent Resident"

It is followed up by:

"CPL / ATPL Endorsed on license / Multi IFR - From TC/ICAO/EASA/FAA2000-3000 Hours plus"

Because of the leniency of license requirements, I take this to mean that they are bringing in foreign pilots, not currently living in Canada. They are then helping them convert their license to TC and sponsor them for PR status. Should we not be upset about this? In the US if you are going to sponsor a foreign employee with green card (their version of PR), the company first needs to have a job up available to Americans, and then if no suitable applicants apply, they have to request a "prevailing wage determination" to prove to the labour board that the company is paying market rate, yet no Americans are interested.

Maybe you should invest sometime towards researching the difference before slagging it. I'll help too get you started with a couple of the significant one's. A PR is just that a resident, not temporary they will be paying taxes both federal and provincial, contributing to the local economy with housing, food etc. We can argue the process, chicken vs egg but in the end if it's being followed to the letter they are a resident with all the "rights & privilege's" thereof.

A TFW is all take, no give they have no skin in the game

[throwawaycorporate]

There is a significant difference between a Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) as was Sunwing's recent plan, it's been block and a supporting an person's application toward Permeant Residency (PR)

Can you please explain? Here is a quote from the ad:

"Immigration: We can do immigration process for this position to apply for permanent Resident"

It is followed up by:

"CPL / ATPL Endorsed on license / Multi IFR - From TC/ICAO/EASA/FAA2000-3000 Hours plus"

Because of the leniency of license requirements, I take this to mean that they are bringing in foreign pilots, not currently living in Canada. They are then helping them convert their license to TC and sponsor them for PR status. Should we not be upset about this? In the US if you are going to sponsor a foreign employee with green card (their version of PR), the company first needs to have a job up available to Americans, and then if no suitable applicants apply, they have to request a "prevailing wage determination" to prove to the labour board that the company is paying market rate, yet no Americans are interested.

Maybe you should invest sometime towards researching the difference before slagging it. I'll help too get you started with a couple of the significant one's. A PR is just that a resident, not temporary they will be paying taxes both federal and provincial, contributing to the local economy with housing, food etc. We can argue the process, chicken vs egg but in the end if it's being followed to the letter they are a resident with all the "rights & privilege's" thereof.

A TFW is all take, no give they have no skin in the game

Your response gives off a condescending tone. To be more direct. I understand what a PR and a TFW is. Also, a TFW is subject to the same taxes as all other workers earning income in Canada.

With a quick google search, if someone is currently a permanent resident of Canada, they do not need a work permit or a visa to work in Canada. Therefore, I don't see how they would need help with the "immigration process".

The job ad makes it sound like Evas is targeting foreign nationals with foreign pilots certificates, and no right to work in Canada. Evas is then willing to sponsor said foreign national and assist them to become a permanent resident of Canada. This to me is a problem, as the wage they are offering will not attract local talent. It appears that Evas is taking advantage of foreigners by promising them PR status in exchange for accepting lower wages.

The proper solution would be to offer compensation that will attract a Canadian or PR.

Do you not see a problem with this?

[Loon-A-Tic]

Can you please explain? Here is a quote from the ad:

"Immigration: We can do immigration process for this position to apply for permanent Resident"

It is followed up by:

"CPL / ATPL Endorsed on license / Multi IFR - From TC/ICAO/EASA/FAA2000-3000 Hours plus"

Because of the leniency of license requirements, I take this to mean that they are bringing in foreign pilots, not currently living in Canada. They are then helping them convert their license to TC and sponsor them for PR status. Should we not be upset about this? In the US if you are going to sponsor a foreign employee with green card (their version of PR), the company first needs to have a job up available to Americans, and then if no suitable applicants apply, they have to request a "prevailing wage determination" to prove to the labour board that the company is paying market rate, yet no Americans are interested.

Maybe you should invest sometime towards researching the difference before slagging it. I'll help too get you started with a couple of the significant one's. A PR is just that a resident, not temporary they will be paying taxes both federal and provincial, contributing to the local economy with housing, food etc. We can argue the process, chicken vs egg but in the end if it's being followed to the letter they are a resident with all the "rights & privilege's" thereof.

A TFW is all take, no give they have no skin in the game

Your response gives off a condescending tone. To be more direct. I understand what a PR and a TFW is. Also, a TFW is subject to the same taxes as all other workers earning income in Canada.

With a quick google search, if someone is currently a permanent resident of Canada, they do not need a work permit or a visa to work in Canada. Therefore, I don't see how they would need help with the "immigration process".

The job ad makes it sound like Evas is targeting foreign nationals with foreign pilots certificates, and no right to work in Canada. Evas is then willing to sponsor said foreign national and assist them to become a permanent resident of Canada. This to me is a problem, as the wage they are offering will not attract local talent. It appears that Evas is taking advantage of foreigners by promising them PR status in exchange for accepting lower wages.

The proper solution would be to offer compensation that will attract a Canadian or PR.

Do you not see a problem with this?

The irony in this conversation is nothing short of spectacular. It wasn't that long ago that contributors' to this very site where "advising" any and all to steer well clear of EVAS and their predatory practice. Now we are discuss how to "protect" opportunity for any and all. EVAS is what it is, they will never change so any hope in that regards is a complete waste of time and oxygen.

[photofly]

The job ad makes it sound like Evas is targeting foreign nationals with foreign pilots certificates, and no right to work in Canada. Evas is then willing to sponsor said foreign national and assist them to become a permanent resident of Canada.
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Do you not see a problem with this?

There isn't any practical or legal help that EVAS can offer to anyone to become a permanent resident any more easily than they could manage on their own - the criteria are pretty solid and fixed. Being a foreign pilot doesn't qualify you for any kind of fast-track, nor does having a job offer from EVAS.

[BE02 Driver]

The job ad makes it sound like Evas is targeting foreign nationals with foreign pilots certificates, and no right to work in Canada. Evas is then willing to sponsor said foreign national and assist them to become a permanent resident of Canada.
...
Do you not see a problem with this?

There isn't any practical or legal help that EVAS can offer to anyone to become a permanent resident any more easily than they could manage on their own - the criteria are pretty solid and fixed. Being a foreign pilot doesn't qualify you for any kind of fast-track, nor does having a job offer from EVAS.

Actually there is a maritime immigration "pilot" project. Pilot, as in "New", not airline pilot. Due to the shortage of workers in the maritimes, there is a special program that EVAS, and ant employer in the maritimes for that matter, has access to for any type of employee. The result of that program is a Green Card. There are conditions.

EVAS uses the Green Card as a instrument of indentured servitude to lock new immigrant pilots into slave like wages. You stay, you get a Green Card, you leave, you go back to where you came from. They did it when I worked there, they will continue to do it.

[W5]

There is no Green Card in Canada.

[photofly]

Actually there is a maritime immigration "pilot" project. Pilot, as in "New", not airline pilot. Due to the shortage of workers in the maritimes, there is a special program that EVAS, and ant employer in the maritimes for that matter, has access to for any type of employee. The result of that program is a Green Card. There are conditions.

EVAS uses the Green Card as a instrument of indentured servitude to lock new immigrant pilots into slave like wages. You stay, you get a Green Card, you leave, you go back to where you came from. They did it when I worked there, they will continue to do it.

Aside from Canada not having a green card, the conditions of the Atlantic Immigration Programme (no longer a pilot) are that you get (or at least qualify for) your PR status before you even arrive in Canada, so how exactly does EVAS get to exert improper influence over you once you have arrived?

Are you sure you’re not thinking of some visa schemes in the USA?

[BE02 Driver]

Actually there is a maritime immigration "pilot" project. Pilot, as in "New", not airline pilot. Due to the shortage of workers in the maritimes, there is a special program that EVAS, and ant employer in the maritimes for that matter, has access to for any type of employee. The result of that program is a Green Card. There are conditions.

EVAS uses the Green Card as a instrument of indentured servitude to lock new immigrant pilots into slave like wages. You stay, you get a Green Card, you leave, you go back to where you came from. They did it when I worked there, they will continue to do it.

Aside from Canada not having a green card, the conditions of the Atlantic Immigration Programme (no longer a pilot) are that you get (or at least qualify for) your PR status before you even arrive in Canada, so how exactly does EVAS get to exert improper influence over you once you have arrived?

Are you sure you’re not thinking of some visa schemes in the USA?

The US doesn't have a Green Card either. It's a colloquial term, and you know exactly what I meant, so stop being obtuse.

This is how they screw you....Here from the AIP website...

If you meet the requirements to apply for permanent residence, you may be eligible to apply for a temporary work permit. The work permit lets you work while your permanent residence application is being processed.

This work permit

is only for the Atlantic Immigration Program
is valid for 1 year
only lets you work for the employer who offered you the job.

For the promise of life in Canada they pay you less than minimum wage, force you to sign a ridiculous bond, and add a second bond when they upgrade you.