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12 HOURS.....really?

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OK, you airline folks — so many questions. Hard to dispute the facts in the video, and there was a significant storm, but...

...how can this happen? No gate available for 12 hours to de-plane?? What about fuel? Food? Toilets? Cranky children? And everyone remained calm?

What about duty day? Would the crew still get paid?

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Okay, what happened? I don't have the time to listen guy mumble on, like a 16 year old girl, for 5 minutes. What's the "short version"?
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RoAF-Mig21 wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:58 pm Okay, what happened? I don't have the time to listen guy mumble on, like a 16 year old girl, for 5 minutes. What's the "short version"?
boarded at 8. 3 hours waiting for the storm to pass. Flight gets cancelled and are told they're returning to the gate. 9 hours go by before they get back the gate (apparently).
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12 hours sounds completely reasonable today.

During Covid, government workers got to stay home, maintain their wages, keep DB pensions, given the royal red carpet treatment. Even government is struggling to keep their work moving.

Airport workers (catsa, csr’s, ramp workers etc) were laid off, many had low wages to begin with, no pensions, live in an economy they can’t engage with, can’t afford homes, struggling to buy food. It will cost them more to try and come into work than their time is worth, so they aren’t coming running to work OT.

So when it’s the middle of the night in a snow storm, and half these people need to take transit because they can’t afford a car to begin with. And they are already short staffed, and no one want to pay for the true cost of a ticket to travel, and the “government” (private/public mish mash airport arrangements) has tons of overhead on your ticket price leaching every cent extra out of the airlines to pay for ridiculous airport artwork and CEO salaries.

Well what you are left with is planes on the tarmac with no one to marshal them in, or offload the bags, or book their next flight, or process them through security. The CEO got a fat bonus but the CEO is home sleeping at midnight and probably not going to come in and do that work that makes an airline move.

12 hours sitting on the ramp doesn’t surprise me one bit. Want to know the solution? Look above and I am sure you can find some solutions. Travel in Canada is slowly starting to look like 3rd world level quality, just like much of our country. Look at our leadership (Trudeau), look at the cost of living, look at the cancers in his policies. You will see that more Trudeau will be more 3rd world quality life ahead for Canadians.
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Airport ran out of de-ice fluid, also apparently a bunch of the busses that transport passengers that can’t get to a gate from remote parking died because their moronically were electric only and not diesel / gas powered so they had to go charge.
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fish4life wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:17 pm Airport ran out of de-ice fluid, also apparently a bunch of the busses that transport passengers that can’t get to a gate from remote parking died because their moronically were electric only and not diesel / gas powered so they had to go charge.
If that's not a face palm, then I don't know what is. I'll let Picard do it:
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fish4life wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:17 pm Airport ran out of de-ice fluid, also apparently a bunch of the busses that transport passengers that can’t get to a gate from remote parking died because their moronically were electric only and not diesel / gas powered so they had to go charge.
And airlines couldn't be bothered to push an empty plane out of a gate to let ones stranded on the ramp come in and unload.
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Hey, at least it was snowing. That way nobody was tempted to pull the emergency slides.
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digits_ wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:48 pm Hey, at least it was snowing. That way nobody was tempted to pull the emergency slides.
There's the silver lining.
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Who would be responsible and who would pay to push a plane away from the gate and find a place for it to sit out the storm?

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And airlines couldn't be bothered to push an empty plane out of a gate to let ones stranded on the ramp come in and unload.
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rando wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:15 am 12 hours sounds completely reasonable today.

During Covid, government workers got to stay home, maintain their wages, keep DB pensions, given the royal red carpet treatment. Even government is struggling to keep their work moving.
Keep in mind who had to setup the programs like CERB or all the covid related stuff including procurement, look at all the people applying for EI or passports recently?

Also I hate Trudeau but what does he have to do with Onnex outsourcing all of westet or AC's ground operations?
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goldeneagle wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:32 pm
fish4life wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:17 pm Airport ran out of de-ice fluid, also apparently a bunch of the busses that transport passengers that can’t get to a gate from remote parking died because their moronically were electric only and not diesel / gas powered so they had to go charge.
And airlines couldn't be bothered to push an empty plane out of a gate to let ones stranded on the ramp come in and unload.
Tell me you haven't been in the cockpit of an airplane on the ground during a major snow event without telling me that.

Imagine trying to ride your bicycle in six inches of snow while trying to push a grocery cart full of stuff.
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fish4life wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:17 pm Airport ran out of de-ice fluid, also apparently a bunch of the busses that transport passengers that can’t get to a gate from remote parking died because their moronically were electric only and not diesel / gas powered so they had to go charge.
Electric busses. Lol!

Now our dictator government is mandating that 20% of all vehicles sold in 2025 must be electric. Did they blame the storm on climate change yet? :lol:
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Oh yes the 20 percent electric cars... They said the reason they are doing this is because electric cars are cheaper, need less maintenance and are better for the environment. They are mandating more electric cars because that's what the consumer wants.

Its funny because it's the same bullshit as buying up all these vaccines no one wants. Liberals like to mandate things and pretend its what the people want. If Canadians wanted more electric cars, they are would buy more electric cars. If electric cars are cheaper, most definitely people would be buying more of them. You don't need mandates to buy things that make sense. Clearly something does not make any sense here as the government is stepping in with new rule.

You do need mandates and policy when things don't make any sense. Another fumble for the liberals. I think the program was just an excuse to hire another 100 federal workers and lease another floor in a building. Canadians can now pay for more dB pensions to federal workers to snail mail them brochure brainwash on why we need electric cars and what our government is doing to make that a reality. Many people driving expensive teslas enjoying being locked out of their vehicles with software glitches... Oh wait! This sounds familiar. If we all drive tesla, kristia commiland can push the big red button to disable your vehicle when you act like a fringe minority... This is all beginning to make sense.
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You sound like a baby boomer who just randomly re posts something on Facebook because if you saw it on the internet it must be true.

Who said the busses weren’t charged? Why would a bus that only drives airside with access to electricity be dead?

The busses probably couldn’t move regardless of propulsion because of the snow… but iTs An ElEcTrIc BuS sO iT mUsT hAvE bEeN dEaD… lEt Me TuRn ThIs InTo A pOlItIcAl TiRaDe!1!1!1!!!!

Like the people who say that EVs are useless without electricity.. ironically not realizing that gas pumps don’t work without electricity either.
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‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:15 pm You sound like a baby boomer who just randomly re posts something on Facebook because if you saw it on the internet it must be true.

Who said the busses weren’t charged? Why would a bus that only drives airside with access to electricity be dead?

The busses probably couldn’t move regardless of propulsion because of the snow… but iTs An ElEcTrIc BuS sO iT mUsT hAvE bEeN dEaD… lEt Me TuRn ThIs InTo A pOlItIcAl TiRaDe!1!1!1!!!!

Like the people who say that EVs are useless without electricity.. ironically not realizing that gas pumps don’t work without electricity either.
Enjoy your electric car then. :lol:

Are you speaking on behalf of your boyfriend Justin?
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Not to side track, but I wonder if JT is aware of the child slave labour/deaths involved with lithium batteries in cobalt mining?
Kind of disgusting how governments and corporations like to hide the fine print of were our products come from. Now imagine the government is aware of this, yet they plan to mandate that Canadians purchase these vehicles built by child slaves. I would like to think people have a conscience and demand better, rather than continue the path of modern day wokeness and virtue. Are electric cars really clean, and the future? We need to do better. Doing better starts with truth. How do you like your Tesla now 🫣.
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This had nothing to do with electric busses or staff taking transit and was a complete failure of YVR to run an airport.

YVR's electric busses have not moved since being parked at the start of COVID. When they did start running busses - they were the gas ones. The real issue is they dropped the ball.

Around 7pm ACARS messages started popping up...."takeoff prohibited" due to the de-ice bay shutting down, at that point - there was already 3 or more inches of snow on the field and not a single plow in sight. Pushbacks could barely move aircraft. So departures are cancelled - but not arrivals. As the night wore on, YVR started limited plowing at about 11pm, however 1 plow per ramp is not enough. With arrivals building up and departures still cancelled there were no more empty gates, so they started demanding airplanes be moved from gates - well most airlines would be happy to move them - but with 8 inches of snow on the ramp and only some taxiways plowed....where the hell are they going to go? Finally around 2 am they shut down arrivals - however by that point the damage was long done with taxiways filled with planes. One Westjet aircraft was sitting so long on the taxiway - they actually ran out of fuel and had to get an emergency plow to lead a fuel truck from the farm out to the aircraft to re-fuel it.

They did not prep for this ahead of time - having 4 days or so notice of a major snow event headed our way. This was 100% YVR's failure.
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boeingboy wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:54 pm This had nothing to do with electric busses or staff taking transit and was a complete failure of YVR to run an airport.
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They did not prep for this ahead of time - having 4 days or so notice of a major snow event headed our way. This was 100% YVR's failure.
So, not Trudeau’s fault then? What bullshit is ranto going to going to make up now as an excuse to blather on only to fail harder? Masks are only 1.9% effective?
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Your commitment is admirable aviatard. Just like your commitment to saving lives. If we ever make a “hero’s of avcanada” forum you will be my first choice for demonstrating your commitment to saving lives during the deadly Covid 19 pandemic.

If it wasn’t for your masking, 7th booster, and commitment to spend every Christmas alone….. 10 billion Canadians would have died this winter. We know this because we read it on CBC.

Now to commemorate this moment allow me to wear a mask one more time in solidarity.
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Wow that actually feels kind of nice… it feels like I’m doing something! Ahhh, this must be what it feels like to be a liberal. What a good feeling it is to play dress up and pretend we are super hero’s with masks. Guys, everyone join me! Agree to not see any family for Christmas this year and we will say it’s to save lives!
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