Best cub sim
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Best cub sim
Got a buddy who's wife have him lessons on a supercub. He wants to practice on a SIM first what is best simulator program with a piper cub model?
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Would it be possible to set him up with a tricycle that he can push around a big room from the opposite end?
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Don’t do it! At that stage a sim is largely negative training.
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The best sim for Piper Cub training will be one of these:
To be used while holding one of these:
Note, yellow is the preferred colour.
To be used while holding one of these:
Note, yellow is the preferred colour.
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Head out to the local Walmart; grab a shopping cart and then run as fast as he can across the parking lot pushing it backwards. For "advanced" training he could hang something heavy on the handle to simulate the weight of the engine and then try it again.
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For extra realism, put about $200k of fresh eggs in the cart, too.TrilliumFlt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:37 am Head out to the local Walmart; grab a shopping cart and then run as fast as he can across the parking lot pushing it backwards. For "advanced" training he could hang something heavy on the handle to simulate the weight of the engine and then try it again.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Perfect, should be able to score a PPC with that kind of quality training completed.photofly wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:39 amFor extra realism, put about $200k of fresh eggs in the cart, too.TrilliumFlt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:37 am Head out to the local Walmart; grab a shopping cart and then run as fast as he can across the parking lot pushing it backwards. For "advanced" training he could hang something heavy on the handle to simulate the weight of the engine and then try it again.
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Don't know about that. The kid for 11th birthday was given choice day of skiing or can flight.....Went to the school, rode along"just want photos of kid". About 20 minutes in with the kid basically holding private pilot tolerance, instructor looks back at me "flight simer? Me "Yep". I hate flight simmers, can't teach them anything.
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You could add a IMC conditions to this model and get some instrument time logged as well.
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I would make a paper trainer. Print out the cockpit and stick it on the wall and practice using the checklist that they use. I bet those schools make bank from students taking forever to complete the checklist with the engine running on the ground.
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How long a checklist do you need in a cub?
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Depends who's defining the "need".
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If it’s just a j-3 cub I can’t think of almost anything that would require a checklist. They don’t have flaps, no mixture control, lots don’t even have a battery or electrical system.
Checklist
Mags on both
Primer in
Carb heat off
Go flying
Checklist
Mags on both
Primer in
Carb heat off
Go flying
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Assume CAR602.60 is defining the need.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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The FAA approved Flight manual for the PA18-150 does not include a checklist. So a common sense approach to assuring that the airplane is properly configured for the next phase of flight would be wise.
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My interpretation of 602.60 is that the checklist (or placards) that are mandatory for carrying on board don't have to be provided in the flight manual or by the manufacturer. The checklist (or placards) does/do have to "enable the aircraft to be operated in accordance with limitations specified in the aircraft flight manual, aircraft operating manual, pilot operating handbook or any equivalent document provided by the manufacturer;"
It also says:
I think that means that if the manufacturer didn't give you a checklist (or placards) including those items, you should create one, in order to be able to carry it on board.
It also says:
(my emphasis)A checklist or placards referred to in paragraph (1)(a) shall enable the aircraft to be operated in normal, abnormal and emergency conditions and shall include
(a) a pre-start check;
(b) a pre-take-off check;
(c) a post-take-off check;
(d) a pre-landing check; and
(e) emergency procedures.
I think that means that if the manufacturer didn't give you a checklist (or placards) including those items, you should create one, in order to be able to carry it on board.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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The manufacturer didn’t make one because a cub is dead simple, can’t even think of something that would be on a post take off check for a fixed gear, no flap, no mixture, no electrical system aircraftphotofly wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:21 pm My interpretation of 602.60 is that the checklist (or placards) that are mandatory for carrying on board don't have to be provided in the flight manual or by the manufacturer. The checklist (or placards) does/do have to "enable the aircraft to be operated in accordance with limitations specified in the aircraft flight manual, aircraft operating manual, pilot operating handbook or any equivalent document provided by the manufacturer;"
It also says:(my emphasis)A checklist or placards referred to in paragraph (1)(a) shall enable the aircraft to be operated in normal, abnormal and emergency conditions and shall include
(a) a pre-start check;
(b) a pre-take-off check;
(c) a post-take-off check;
(d) a pre-landing check; and
(e) emergency procedures.
I think that means that if the manufacturer didn't give you a checklist (or placards) including those items, you should create one, in order to be able to carry it on board.
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That was kind of my point. Hard for an FTU to milk a student with checklistitis in a cub.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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But it’s a “SuperCub” so that means an extra thingamagigger leaver for the prop I think… Our friends to the south would consider it a “complex” aircraft. Go figure!
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Every 'SuperCub' I flew had a fixed pitch propeller, flaps, electric system and a 150hp engine.TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:45 am But it’s a “SuperCub” so that means an extra thingamagigger leaver for the prop I think… Our friends to the south would consider it a “complex” aircraft. Go figure!