twa22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:18 pm Pilot in waiting shouldn't even exist in today's hiring environment where everyone is short pilots... If the flow to the 705 is in theory continuous, I don't understand why 702/703 operators still have pilot in waiting

twa22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:18 pm I don't understand why 702/703 operators still have pilot in waiting

IJNShiroyuki wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:58 pm Is there anyone who is workin, or recently has worksed, in pilot in waiting position with northern carriers like Buffalo, wasaya, north star air etc.
How is the wait time? and how is your pay and working conditions?

dALre wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:23 pm The story is maybe 3 months old by now so take it with a grain of salt.

twa22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:18 pm Pilot in waiting shouldn't even exist in today's hiring environment where everyone is short pilots... If the flow to the 705 is in theory continuous, I don't understand why 702/703 operators still have pilot in waiting

dALre wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:23 pm

IJNShiroyuki wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:58 pm Is there anyone who is workin, or recently has worksed, in pilot in waiting position with northern carriers like Buffalo, wasaya, north star air etc.
How is the wait time? and how is your pay and working conditions?

Don't know the Buffalo but for Wasaya and North Star, they are full of PIW on ground.
In fact, was told from my captain who knows a guy in the company about a couple months ago that surplus amount of FOs flowed from ground position but still the flow is very stagnant and this became a real issue for those people still remaining on the ground for over an year or, perhaps, more.

The story is maybe 3 months old by now so take it with a grain of salt.

rwy31 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:54 pm Currently PIW at one of the carriers mentionned , I was told minimum 12 months , could be before(depending on operation needs) , the trend for those before me , they’ve gotten a seat anywhere between 6-8 months.The pay for my department is decent , I have to budget of course but Im not eating ramen for dinner everynight.Working conditions is okay , not perfect but just okay, some days are long. I still apply to every job posting I see fit in the mean time and still nothing.Hope this helps a bit.

IJNShiroyuki wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:16 pm

rwy31 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:54 pm Currently PIW at one of the carriers mentionned , I was told minimum 12 months , could be before(depending on operation needs) , the trend for those before me , they’ve gotten a seat anywhere between 6-8 months.The pay for my department is decent , I have to budget of course but Im not eating ramen for dinner everynight.Working conditions is okay , not perfect but just okay, some days are long. I still apply to every job posting I see fit in the mean time and still nothing.Hope this helps a bit.

How long have you been working so far?

imapo16 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:25 pm I am also currently in a PIW position on of the biggest northern carrier in Quebec and the waiting time here is around between 12-24 months minimum. I feel like it's a very long time to wait even after the end of the pandemic, but I do not have a choice at the moment. Still applying to entry level pilot job posting when they're available but the competition is fierce..

lownslow wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:31 pm How come the major airlines aren’t doing PIW programs?

twa22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:18 pm Pilot in waiting shouldn't even exist in today's hiring environment where everyone is short pilots... If the flow to the 705 is in theory continuous, I don't understand why 702/703 operators still have pilot in waiting

ellinas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:16 am So really there is no pilot shortage, just a captain with 2000 hours shortage .

spruceair wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:25 pm

ellinas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:16 am So really there is no pilot shortage, just a captain with 2000 hours shortage .

Bingo. FOs at 703/4s get their 1000hrs TT and the vast majority leave when Encore or Jazz call. There is a small minority who do stick around to get some MPIC and take advantage of the growing medevac salaries ($100-180k) that are out there.

lownslow wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:08 am

twa22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:18 pm I don't understand why 702/703 operators still have pilot in waiting

Because you can find a good candidate who wants to work for you but you don’t have a seat for them today. You will in a couple months or maybe even a couple days but right this instant you don’t. But you do need rampies and flight followers, both of which train up easily enough if you start with a CPL holder. A job like that forms a good base of company operational knowledge that can be built on when they transition to flying.

Obviously if you’re applying for this sort of thing you need to apply the right frame of mind and know exactly what you’re getting into.