Is this Correct?

[Bil Derberg]

I'm wondering if thisbis the current Payscale for WJ, or has it been recently updated?

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[truecolours]

That is correct current payscale.

[Canadaflyer46]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.
Currently 6.5 years seniority to get off reserve as an FO in YYC and YVR. 14 year upgrades in both these bases. YYZ around the 10 year mark but upgrades very few and far between.
Those are the current Coles notes. There's a reason they're cancelling groundschools!

[Bil Derberg]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.
Currently 6.5 years seniority to get off reserve as an FO in YYC and YVR. 14 year upgrades in both these bases. YYZ around the 10 year mark but upgrades very few and far between.
Those are the current Coles notes. There's a reason they're cancelling groundschools!

That's an abomination

[vinnie]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.
Currently 6.5 years seniority to get off reserve as an FO in YYC and YVR. 14 year upgrades in both these bases. YYZ around the 10 year mark but upgrades very few and far between.
Those are the current Coles notes. There's a reason they're cancelling groundschools!

Brutal. Time to strike!

[rando]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month.

If you make $23 per hour in Ontario, your take home is over 3100 per month (assuming just the government deductions apply).

What's a good comparison? An apprentice swapping snow tires to summers and doing oil changes, takes home the same.

Any idea if the liberals will allow a strike as long as it takes, or will WestJet be legislated back to work for oil change shop wages?

[TheLastonetoknow]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.
Currently 6.5 years seniority to get off reserve as an FO in YYC and YVR. 14 year upgrades in both these bases. YYZ around the 10 year mark but upgrades very few and far between.
Those are the current Coles notes. There's a reason they're cancelling groundschools!

So much for the grandiose plans to hire 400 pilots if groundschools are in fact being cancelled. Is this the case?

[seriousflyer]

Westjet pilot list is shrinking. Recruiting is ongoing but more pilots are quitting then being hired. We are definetly not growing by 400 pilots this year - unless CA2 provides significant improvements, then recruiting could have a fighting chance to maybe meet 200 new hires for back half of 2023.

[Canadaflyer46]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.
Currently 6.5 years seniority to get off reserve as an FO in YYC and YVR. 14 year upgrades in both these bases. YYZ around the 10 year mark but upgrades very few and far between.
Those are the current Coles notes. There's a reason they're cancelling groundschools!

So much for the grandiose plans to hire 400 pilots if groundschools are in fact being cancelled. Is this the case?

There was an internally-shared photo of the huge class of 5 people in one of the classes recently. The class after that was cancelled. Apparently to consolidate into a later class. Hmmm. Wonder if that ever happens at AC...

[JungleRiot]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month.

If you make $23 per hour in Ontario, your take home is over 3100 per month (assuming just the government deductions apply).

What's a good comparison? An apprentice swapping snow tires to summers and doing oil changes, takes home the same.

Any idea if the liberals will allow a strike as long as it takes, or will WestJet be legislated back to work for oil change shop wages?

I know its a long shot, but would there be any chance for a new potential hire to negotiate for lets say 3rd year pay, their first year? I mean, if things really get desperate for WJ, will they really have a choice?

[fish4life]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month.

If you make $23 per hour in Ontario, your take home is over 3100 per month (assuming just the government deductions apply).

What's a good comparison? An apprentice swapping snow tires to summers and doing oil changes, takes home the same.

Any idea if the liberals will allow a strike as long as it takes, or will WestJet be legislated back to work for oil change shop wages?

I know its a long shot, but would there be any chance for a new potential hire to negotiate for lets say 3rd year pay, their first year? I mean, if things really get desperate for WJ, will they really have a choice?

They are unionized with a CBA so the only way that would happen is if the company and union sign a LOU which would probably only be agreed to by the union if everyone got moved up 2 years on the payscale. They are also near the end of their contract negotiations so I doubt any Lou will be signed since they would just incorporate any change into their new contract.

From WJ’s point of view why would they bother raising year 1 pay when they can just drop the experience requirement?

[Bede]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.

To be fair, you need to account for the WSP money that you can get 4x/yr which you already paid tax on which is ~$80k /yr for a captain and $50k/yr for an FO, plus the stock option replacement money.

[Canadaflyer46]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month. $1800 on the 15th, $1300 on the 31st.

To be fair, you need to account for the WSP money that you can get 4x/yr which you already paid tax on which is ~$80k /yr for a captain and $50k/yr for an FO, plus the stock option replacement money.

Stock options money is not paid for year one. You don’t start accruing towards it until after your first year. I was simply highlighting the low take home for a new hire. WSP is indeed available after whatever arbitrary vesting period the company has held onto it for.

[bcflyer]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month.

If you make $23 per hour in Ontario, your take home is over 3100 per month (assuming just the government deductions apply).

What's a good comparison? An apprentice swapping snow tires to summers and doing oil changes, takes home the same.

Any idea if the liberals will allow a strike as long as it takes, or will WestJet be legislated back to work for oil change shop wages?

We really need to stop even discussing this. The constitutional right to strike has been upheld in court. The government will not be successful if they attempt to legislate anyone back to work. End of conversation.

[Dash.Trash]

Take home year one is approx $3100 a month.

If you make $23 per hour in Ontario, your take home is over 3100 per month (assuming just the government deductions apply).

What's a good comparison? An apprentice swapping snow tires to summers and doing oil changes, takes home the same.

Any idea if the liberals will allow a strike as long as it takes, or will WestJet be legislated back to work for oil change shop wages?

We really need to stop even discussing this. The constitutional right to strike has been upheld in court. The government will not be successful if they attempt to legislate anyone back to work. End of conversation.

Not entirely correct. I believe it is the preemptive use of back to work legislation that is unconstitutional. That is to say, they have to at least let a strike/lockout commence before drafting BTW legislation. There have been numerous instances of BTW legislation being used since the Supreme Court ruling enshrining the constitutional right to strike.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7822717/port ... enate/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada ... %20to%2043.

[Canpilot7]

Additionally, the current government has made repeated comments explaining how important it is to not interfere with the right to strike (both ministers and prime minister) and have also allowed multiple strikes to occur.

The fear isn't based on fact