Aircraft QoL

[bring me the horizon]

What are the pairing lengths on the 737 out of YYZ?

They range from 1-5 days, with the vast majority 3 days or less.

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Thanks for that! Would you mind posting a break down of the duration of pairings per fleet type?

[kilocharliemike]

So more about Quality of life and equipment... which equipment will get you the most flights to...('cough'layovers) the Caribbean/Mexico? Sun is a big factor in my QOL...focus people

Rouge A319 (even though a big chunk of that fleet is A321). Some nice layovers at resorts if you have the seniority to hold it. Havana, Mexico City, St Lucia, Grenada, Costa Rica, Panama, etc

Ooh nice side stick and beach time sounds like quality to me!

[Ash Ketchum]

So more about Quality of life and equipment... which equipment will get you the most flights to...('cough'layovers) the Caribbean/Mexico? Sun is a big factor in my QOL...focus people

Rouge A319 (even though a big chunk of that fleet is A321). Some nice layovers at resorts if you have the seniority to hold it. Havana, Mexico City, St Lucia, Grenada, Costa Rica, Panama, etc

Yeah definitely need decent seniority to do those trips, otherwise it will be YQB turns on reserve.

[NotDirty!]

What are the pairing lengths on the 737 out of YYZ?

They range from 1-5 days, with the vast majority 3 days or less.

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Thanks for that! Would you mind posting a break down of the duration of pairings per fleet type?

It varies by base/type/seat, and within each category it varies month to month. I think I counted 46 different base/type/seat categories! The stats I posted above were for the April block month, for a YZ737FO.

[jpilot77]

So more about Quality of life and equipment... which equipment will get you the most flights to...('cough'layovers) the Caribbean/Mexico? Sun is a big factor in my QOL...focus people

Rouge A319 (even though a big chunk of that fleet is A321). Some nice layovers at resorts if you have the seniority to hold it. Havana, Mexico City, St Lucia, Grenada, Costa Rica, Panama, etc

Yeah definitely need decent seniority to do those trips, otherwise it will be YQB turns on reserve.

Well actually with the new reserve RAPs senior guys on reserve don’t have cart blanche to get all the good flying. So now it’s a mix for everyone on reserve.

[kilocharliemike]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

[Ash Ketchum]

Rouge A319 (even though a big chunk of that fleet is A321). Some nice layovers at resorts if you have the seniority to hold it. Havana, Mexico City, St Lucia, Grenada, Costa Rica, Panama, etc

Yeah definitely need decent seniority to do those trips, otherwise it will be YQB turns on reserve.

Well actually with the new reserve RAPs senior guys on reserve don’t have cart blanche to get all the good flying. So now it’s a mix for everyone on reserve.

Hasn't been my experience.

[rudder]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

Course rights.

If you want to work at AC you should really review the ACPA CBA. It is convoluted but it will dictate your QOL for the rest of your career.

[Bingo Fuel]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

The collective agreement can be found here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 3jEK_FpOrK
Specifically the following sections:

Article 20.05 Course Rights
Article 20.17 New Hire Pilots

The new hire freeze referenced in this article is currently only a few years, but COVID has made that timing a little unpredictable going forward. As per the contract, it can be as long as four years.

[Blueontop]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

The collective agreement can be found here:
https://negotheque.travail.gc.ca/eng/ag ... 81003a.pdf

Specifically the following sections:

Article 20.05 Course Rights
Article 20.17 New Hire Pilots

The new hire freeze referenced in this article is currently only a few years, but COVID has made that timing a little unpredictable going forward. As per the contract, it can be as long as four years.

CBA effective 1989?

[Bingo Fuel]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

The collective agreement can be found here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... jEK_FpOrK
Specifically the following sections:

Article 20.05 Course Rights
Article 20.17 New Hire Pilots

The new hire freeze referenced in this article is currently only a few years, but COVID has made that timing a little unpredictable going forward. As per the contract, it can be as long as four years.

CBA effective 1989?

My bad. Corrected.

[kilocharliemike]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

Course rights.

If you want to work at AC you should really review the ACPA CBA. It is convoluted but it will dictate your QOL for the rest of your career.

Yes I have went through it a bit, convoluted is a good word! Sometimes its better asking here! good CRM...

[rudder]

So if you want to sample, the variety of seats available at your base, how long are you committed to a type?

Course rights.

If you want to work at AC you should really review the ACPA CBA. It is convoluted but it will dictate your QOL for the rest of your career.

Yes I have went through it a bit, convoluted is a good word! Sometimes its better asking here! good CRM...

Readers Digest version - you get 6 course rights when you start (WB CA/WB FO/ NB CA/NB FO/ RP/ 1 free). Your initial position assignment counts as one CR used. You get an additional CR after 15 years. If you get displaced, you get the associated CR right back.

As mentioned, new hire freezes appear to be somewhat in flux. Released pilot seniority number (above which are no longer subject to new-hire freeze) is provided with each equipment bid.

[kilocharliemike]

Course rights.

If you want to work at AC you should really review the ACPA CBA. It is convoluted but it will dictate your QOL for the rest of your career.

Yes I have went through it a bit, convoluted is a good word! Sometimes its better asking here! good CRM...

Readers Digest version - you get 6 course rights when you start (WB CA/WB FO/ NB CA/NB FO/ RP/ 1 free). Your initial position assignment counts as one CR used. You get an additional CR after 15 years. If you get displaced, you get the associated CR right back.

As mentioned, new hire freezes appear to be somewhat in flux. Released pilot seniority number (above which are no longer subject to new-hire freeze) is provided with each equipment bid.

Does Reader's digest even still exist! Great summary thank you!!

[bob99]

Latest class
Yz 220- 7
UL 737- 4
YZ 320- 1
YZ 319- 4
YZ/UL 330FO- 2
UL 330RP- 3
YZ/UL 87RP- 5
YZ 87FO- 5
YZ/UL 77RP- 3
YZ 67- 1

[kilocharliemike]

Latest class
Yz 220- 7
UL 737- 4
YZ 320- 1
YZ 319- 4
YZ/UL 330FO- 2
UL 330RP- 3
YZ/UL 87RP- 5
YZ 87FO- 5
YZ/UL 77RP- 3
YZ 67- 1

That is what was awarded? or what was available? and I'm guessing 1st April class? interesting stuff

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yes I have went through it a bit, convoluted is a good word! Sometimes its better asking here! good CRM...

Readers Digest version - you get 6 course rights when you start (WB CA/WB FO/ NB CA/NB FO/ RP/ 1 free). Your initial position assignment counts as one CR used. You get an additional CR after 15 years. If you get displaced, you get the associated CR right back.

As mentioned, new hire freezes appear to be somewhat in flux. Released pilot seniority number (above which are no longer subject to new-hire freeze) is provided with each equipment bid.

Does Reader's digest even still exist! Great summary thank you!!

Sure does. Lol. Saw a late 2022 edition near the toilet at my parent’s place for Xmas dinner.

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Latest class
Yz 220- 7
UL 737- 4
YZ 320- 1
YZ 319- 4
YZ/UL 330FO- 2
UL 330RP- 3
YZ/UL 87RP- 5
YZ 87FO- 5
YZ/UL 77RP- 3
YZ 67- 1

Doesnt look good for Western folks. How long does it take generally to hold a YVR base?

[joefo]

Latest class
Yz 220- 7
UL 737- 4
YZ 320- 1
YZ 319- 4
YZ/UL 330FO- 2
UL 330RP- 3
YZ/UL 87RP- 5
YZ 87FO- 5
YZ/UL 77RP- 3
YZ 67- 1

Doesnt look good for Western folks. How long does it take generally to hold a YVR base?

37 and possibly 320 you could hold it in the next bid after training. Otherwise it’ll be a while. There’s a new hire course right you can use to get you to a different base on a different type if you didn’t get your preferred base/type in PIT.

[braaap Braap]

Not to drift the thread too much but how many WB CA positions are there at AC with the current 87 WB tails?