Congratulations
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Congratulations
You did the industry well. You set the standard. A lot of you sold out your former colleagues.
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Re: Congratulations
Don't fall for this line of rhetoric. Flair is not the big bad threat WestJet management makes us out to be. You've lost more in wages and working conditions to Swoop and soon to Sunwing than you ever will to Flair. We raised our Captain hourly wages to match yours, yet Swoop's wages stayed in the basement. You are being played, and you know it. You deserve wages on par with our US counterparts, and when you raise them, AC will have to follow suit. If you do this, Flair will also have to raise wages again or we'll lose the ability to retain and attract pilots. The ball is in your hands, and we support you.
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I am an AC guy. Every single one of us is guilty. AC, WS, AT, Sunwing etc.. you have guys like the original Swoopers, AC guys who signed on for cargo at -10 etc.. Flair has actually been around for less time. We all need to raise the bar BIG TIME.
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One word: WHIPSAW. Standard tactic when negotiating with management. Don't fall for it.
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I thought Flair was supposed to be gone by now... according to all you in the know pilots who apparently don't know much.....
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This must be the reason we’re terrible predictors in stock markets. If you need stock tips make sure to ask on AvCanada.accountant wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:45 pm I thought Flair was supposed to be gone by now... according to all you in the know pilots who apparently don't know much.....
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I still think about that guy that bought a bunch of Transat at $12.CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:59 pm
This must be the reason we’re terrible predictors in stock markets. If you need stock tips make sure to ask on AvCanada.
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Don't fall for this. I'm not one to say we have a good contract right now at flair, but it is voted and we'll have to wait.
That being said westjet management saying you can't get wages to a North American standard because of flair being the competition is absolute bullshit. We operate 20 aircraft as of now, westjet operates over 100 737 counting Swoop, not even mentioning sunwing. Plus the regionals if you want to add those but I find regionals are irrelevant in this case.
Flair is far from the threat westjet offices would have you believe, and maybe down the line that's gonna change but right now that's just management playing you.
Hope you get what the westjet membership deserves, if I can I'll make it to your picket line.
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You guys sold out yourselves pretty quick but I mean you and TBay have a long history of that.
co-joe wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:01 am Don't fall for this line of rhetoric. Flair is not the big bad threat WestJet management makes us out to be. You've lost more in wages and working conditions to Swoop and soon to Sunwing than you ever will to Flair. We raised our Captain hourly wages to match yours, yet Swoop's wages stayed in the basement. You are being played, and you know it. You deserve wages on par with our US counterparts, and when you raise them, AC will have to follow suit. If you do this, Flair will also have to raise wages again or we'll lose the ability to retain and attract pilots. The ball is in your hands, and we support you.
You guys sold out yourselves pretty quick but I mean you and TBay have a long history of that.

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JFC give it a rest already.Vanguard wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 5:01 am [YouTube][/YouTube]co-joe wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:01 am Don't fall for this line of rhetoric. Flair is not the big bad threat WestJet management makes us out to be. You've lost more in wages and working conditions to Swoop and soon to Sunwing than you ever will to Flair. We raised our Captain hourly wages to match yours, yet Swoop's wages stayed in the basement. You are being played, and you know it. You deserve wages on par with our US counterparts, and when you raise them, AC will have to follow suit. If you do this, Flair will also have to raise wages again or we'll lose the ability to retain and attract pilots. The ball is in your hands, and we support you.
You guys sold out yourselves pretty quick but I mean you and TBay have a long history of that.![]()