Management at Delta & American working with their pilots to retain them

[CanadaAir]

Delta & American recognize value of pilots to airline safety & profits.

“Delta is out there as a marker,” American Airlines Chief Financial Officer Devon May told Reuters. “That’s what we are looking towards as we are working with our pilots union to get a deal done.”


“I want to thank both negotiating teams and the National Mediation Board for their efforts in reaching this agreement that recognizes our pilots’ contributions to Delta,” said Delta Chief of Operations John Laughter. “From the beginning of the negotiations process, we set out to deliver the industry’s best pilot contract to the industry’s best pilots, one that keeps us as a top destination for U.S. aviation careers, and this contract is a reflection of that unwavering commitment.”


WestJets comment “WestJet’s 737 pilots are amongst the top Canadian income earners across all professions.”

New WestJet pilots joining WJ with 10 years experience earn less than transit bus drivers.

Are transit drivers the comparison WJs making? The pilots are paid less, not top.

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Jet captains at Jazz starting similar to transit bus driver pay

[CanadaAir]

WJ pilots competing with Garbage Truck Drivers at $70,000 a year ($35/hour
Monday to Friday work days, not night shifts & red eyes


Waste Connections of Canada has immediate openings for a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing) for our Toronto/Concord district. Our priority is to give our drivers a great paying career with great incentives! As a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing), you are responsible for waste and recycling collection services. We are looking for a SAFETY inclined, energetic, autonomous and proactive team player capable of making a difference in his/her team and community.

Location: 650 Creditstone Rd Toronto, ON
Pay rate: $32.67 per hour per hour

Incentives:

Benefits: Full Benefit package after 3 months of service

Annual boot and clothing allowance

Be home daily




Front End Garbage Truck Operator * $35/hr- job post
Super Save Disposal
Mississauga, ON
Courtenay, BC

If you have the right qualifications and desire for hard work please forward your resume and current abstract.

Join the Blue guys TODAY!

Job Type: Full-time

Salary: $35.00 per hour

Schedule:

Monday to Friday
Weekend availability

[CanadaAir]

Minimum wage's almost $17/hr
" The Ontario government is increasing the minimum wage to $16.55 an hour on October 1, 2023. This 6.8 per cent pay raise for low-income workers builds on the government’s steady and predictable increases every year to help families offset the rising cost of living."

In 2013 Ontario minimum wage was close to $10.
Minimum wage has increase 60% in 10 years.
Pilot wages haven't increased, they've gone down with inflation.

[CanadaAir]

CEO frequently stating opposites, recent

May 8
"At WestJet mainline, resignations have been relatively low, and the company has hired three times more pilots into WestJet mainline this year, than there have been resignations."

2 weeks ago
"referring to pilots. “But what we are seeing is high attrition. That’s certainly an impact of the current situation.”

[CanadaAir]

Comments from the WJ feed

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[CanadaAir]

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[newlygrounded]

Comments from the WJ feed


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Love seeing all the nutters on twitter!

[Arnie Pye]

WJ pilots competing with Garbage Truck Drivers at $70,000 a year ($35/hour
Monday to Friday work days, not night shifts & red eyes


Waste Connections of Canada has immediate openings for a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing) for our Toronto/Concord district. Our priority is to give our drivers a great paying career with great incentives! As a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing), you are responsible for waste and recycling collection services. We are looking for a SAFETY inclined, energetic, autonomous and proactive team player capable of making a difference in his/her team and community.

Location: 650 Creditstone Rd Toronto, ON
Pay rate: $32.67 per hour per hour

Incentives:

Benefits: Full Benefit package after 3 months of service

Annual boot and clothing allowance

Be home daily




Front End Garbage Truck Operator * $35/hr- job post
Super Save Disposal
Mississauga, ON
Courtenay, BC

If you have the right qualifications and desire for hard work please forward your resume and current abstract.

Join the Blue guys TODAY!

Job Type: Full-time

Salary: $35.00 per hour

Schedule:

Monday to Friday
Weekend availability

Garbage truck drivers make $70k/year and are home every night. I'll bet those greedy garbage men want to get paid from the time they show up at work until the time they get back to the yard. I think we should pay them $40/hour but ONLY for the hours that they spend lifting garbage cans.

[CanadaAir]

WJ pilots competing with Garbage Truck Drivers at $70,000 a year ($35/hour
Monday to Friday work days, not night shifts & red eyes


Waste Connections of Canada has immediate openings for a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing) for our Toronto/Concord district. Our priority is to give our drivers a great paying career with great incentives! As a Garbage Truck Driver (Front End Swing), you are responsible for waste and recycling collection services. We are looking for a SAFETY inclined, energetic, autonomous and proactive team player capable of making a difference in his/her team and community.

Location: 650 Creditstone Rd Toronto, ON
Pay rate: $32.67 per hour per hour

Incentives:

Benefits: Full Benefit package after 3 months of service

Annual boot and clothing allowance

Be home daily




Front End Garbage Truck Operator * $35/hr- job post
Super Save Disposal
Mississauga, ON
Courtenay, BC

If you have the right qualifications and desire for hard work please forward your resume and current abstract.

Join the Blue guys TODAY!

Job Type: Full-time

Salary: $35.00 per hour

Schedule:

Monday to Friday
Weekend availability

Garbage truck drivers make $70k/year and are home every night. I'll bet those greedy garbage men want to get paid from the time they show up at work until the time they get back to the yard. I think we should pay them $40/hour but ONLY for the hours that they spend lifting garbage cans.

Valid.

If a bus driver has a bus break down, they're paid while waiting for it to get fixed or while waiting for a replacement bus.
At a shift change, if the previous bus is late or has weather delays the waiting driver's paid for the time waiting.

If the bus driver or garbage truck has to work longer hours to make up for maintenance or stalls or delays, they get overtime pay 1.5 normal.

How's a pilot less able to get pay for hours waiting than a bus driver?

Pilots haven't yet achieved straight pay for a delay.

Airline wants to extend the work beyond normal 37.5 hours/week, then 1.5 overtime.

[cjp]

Extreme capitalism versus degenerated socialism.

Right now, Westjet pilot's biggest risk should they chose to strike is the CIRB declaring them a service essential to Canadians. Same goes for Air Canada pilots at their next bargaining round.

My worry is Tiff Macklem's comments on minimizing worker raises to combat inflation. Essentially the hikes WS pilots deserve could be quickly undone by federal intervention due to current market optics.

Must be nice to be Onex, with friends in the highest of towers.

[rando]

Extreme capitalism versus degenerated socialism.

Right now, Westjet pilot's biggest risk should they chose to strike is the CIRB declaring them a service essential to Canadians. Same goes for Air Canada pilots at their next bargaining round.

My worry is Tiff Macklem's comments on minimizing worker raises to combat inflation. Essentially the hikes WS pilots deserve could be quickly undone by federal intervention due to current market optics.

Must be nice to Onex with friends in the highest of towers.

Then if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa they will declare you terrorists and freeland will freeze your bank accounts.

Are liberals anti labor and anti middle-class? I think we already know the answer to that.

[cjp]

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[accountant]

Then if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa they will declare you terrorists and freeland will freeze your bank accounts.

Are liberals anti labor and anti middle-class? I think we already know the answer to that.

You mean --- if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa and *ignore lawful orders* they will potentially declare you terrorists and freeze your bank accounts. Might want to go back and look at who this happened to and who it didn't. The ones blatantly defying orders and rules were the ones with issues. The ones showing up in the day and not honking horns and disrupting 24x7 had zero issues.

Typical anti-government anti-vaxx narrative.

[rando]

Then if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa they will declare you terrorists and freeland will freeze your bank accounts.

Are liberals anti labor and anti middle-class? I think we already know the answer to that.

You mean --- if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa and *ignore lawful orders* they will potentially declare you terrorists and freeze your bank accounts. Might want to go back and look at who this happened to and who it didn't. The ones blatantly defying orders and rules were the ones with issues. The ones showing up in the day and not honking horns and disrupting 24x7 had zero issues.

Typical anti-government anti-vaxx narrative.

Exactly. Get back to work will be the order... Obey! Lol

[Yowdriver]

Then if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa they will declare you terrorists and freeland will freeze your bank accounts.

Are liberals anti labor and anti middle-class? I think we already know the answer to that.

You mean --- if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa and *ignore lawful orders* they will potentially declare you terrorists and freeze your bank accounts. Might want to go back and look at who this happened to and who it didn't. The ones blatantly defying orders and rules were the ones with issues. The ones showing up in the day and not honking horns and disrupting 24x7 had zero issues.

Typical anti-government anti-vaxx narrative.

What do you know! This spineless twatt is here yet on another forum to render it unproductive with his banal comments!

[BigQ]

Then if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa they will declare you terrorists and freeland will freeze your bank accounts.

Are liberals anti labor and anti middle-class? I think we already know the answer to that.

You mean --- if you take your protest to downtown Ottawa and *ignore lawful orders* they will potentially declare you terrorists and freeze your bank accounts. Might want to go back and look at who this happened to and who it didn't. The ones blatantly defying orders and rules were the ones with issues. The ones showing up in the day and not honking horns and disrupting 24x7 had zero issues.

Typical anti-government anti-vaxx narrative.

I was there. I fed truckers. Honking stopped after 3 days. Your statement is false.

[CanadaAir]

Extreme capitalism versus degenerated socialism.

Right now, Westjet pilot's biggest risk should they chose to strike is the CIRB declaring them a service essential to Canadians. Same goes for Air Canada pilots at their next bargaining round.

My worry is Tiff Macklem's comments on minimizing worker raises to combat inflation. Essentially the hikes WS pilots deserve could be quickly undone by federal intervention due to current market optics.

Must be nice to be Onex, with friends in the highest of towers.

"The Canada Industrial Relations Board recently issued a decision reaffirming its position with respect to essential employees and the maintenance of activities in the event of a strike or a lock-out.

"the Board outlined important principles for employers to remember as they prepare for bargaining and advise the union which of their employees and services are essential:

• The test for essential employees and services is to "prevent an immediate and serious danger to the safety or health of the public" (emphasis in original). Other issues, though they may be in the public interest, do not concern the Board.
  
  The obligation to maintain the health and safety of the public must be balanced with the commitment to free collective bargaining, set out in the preamble of the Canada Labour Code.
  
  As a result of this balancing, "any abridgement of the right to strike must be to the minimum level required to cautiously protect the health and safety of the public" (emphasis in original).
  
  It is not required that public danger be imminent, or that there be an immediate threat of accident. "It is the danger which must be prevented and not the actual occurrence."
  
  The burden of proof to demonstrate that activities and employees who perform them must continue during a work stoppage is with the employer.

[CanadaAir]

In addition to the JT/JS combo in power now, in 2015 the Supreme Court of Canada made a ruling that struck down the "essential services" card for all but a very small group of workers. https://canliiconnects.org/fr/r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9/35654

In the case of the recent PSAC strike, approx 35,000 employees were deemed essential and PSAC didn't even attempt to dispute it as doing so would their meagre public support would drop to zero if they started affecting Canadian's CPP/OAS,EI, CTB payments and applications.


Saskatchewan Federation of Labour c. Saskatchewan, 2015 CSC 4 (CanLII), [2015] 1 RCS 245

Valid. Thanks.

Recent court & CIRB cases show the use of essential work to stop a strike is limited.

WJ should have difficulty proving this.

WJ ALPA pilots can continue to strike while WJ's with CIRB.


CIRB cant force pilots back to work or stop a strike, this is done by MPs.

Liberals have minority. Liberals & Conservative support to force back to work. Not the CIRB.

[CanadaAir]

The company isn't ready for a strike.
The more time the company has to prepare it will benefit WJ.
WJ management shows lack of ability if they can't keep it running.

Company will try to drag this out.

[CanadaAir]

Toronto Transit bus drivers can make over $160,000 per year

More than some WestJet captains

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Time to fix low pilot pay