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Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:54 pm
by sullecpt
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:06 pm
by bear98
I’d like to know where they are getting the pilots for that lol
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:48 pm
by sullecpt
bear98 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:06 pm
I’d like to know where they are getting the pilots for that lol
PAL owns Moncton Flight College. Easy way to get some ball and chain FO's.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:53 pm
by bear98
sullecpt wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:48 pm
bear98 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:06 pm
I’d like to know where they are getting the pilots for that lol
PAL owns Moncton Flight College. Easy way to get some ball and chain FO's.
Forgot about that, that’s only 50% of the battle, trying to get captains for what they pay is gonna be hard
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:42 pm
by fixnfly
6 Q400s? That's 30-40 captains. Good luck finding and training them in the next couple months. Jazz certainly isn't able to
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 4:54 pm
by sullecpt
fixnfly wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:42 pm
6 Q400s? That's 30-40 captains. Good luck finding and training them in the next couple months. Jazz certainly isn't able to
No shortage of byys in the city willing to pack up and move home to the east coast. They will fill that immediately
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 7:52 pm
by cdnavater
sullecpt wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 4:54 pm
fixnfly wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:42 pm
6 Q400s? That's 30-40 captains. Good luck finding and training them in the next couple months. Jazz certainly isn't able to
No shortage of byys in the city willing to pack up and move home to the east coast. They will fill that immediately
I disagree, PAL has been operating Q400 for some time, why have they been hiring the whole time?
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 8:09 pm
by C-GGGQ
They’re currently running classes all summer at least
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 pm
by airbussy
PAL has lots a number of FOs lately to other regionals including Jazz. Upgrades are long at PAL, and the right to left seat progression is broken there just like it is everywhere. They might be able to manage a year or two, but as AC continues gobbling up pilots to hit their 6000 pilot target I can't see EIC/Jazz/Porter/Encore all being able to survive.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 6:07 am
by rudder
airbussy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 pm
PAL has lots a number of FOs lately to other regionals including Jazz. Upgrades are long at PAL, and the right to left seat progression is broken there just like it is everywhere. They might be able to manage a year or two, but as AC continues gobbling up pilots to hit their 6000 pilot target I can't see EIC/Jazz/Porter/Encore all being able to survive.
In 2010 CR said that he would never be ‘held hostage’ by Jazz again (he meant the Jazz pilots who were in collective bargaining). Perhaps MR feels the same way.
Problem in 2023 is that there is no hostage taking going on. It is simply the law of supply and demand. Pilots are in short supply and high demand.
Any carrier looking to secure Tier 2 lift should be wary of any regional capacity provider promising the moon. There is a finite supply of pilots to be hired and the operator offering the least attractive WAWCON will get the appropriate applicant response and suffer commensurate Pilot retention problems.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:54 am
by canadian_aviator_4
airbussy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 pm
PAL has lots a number of FOs lately to other regionals including Jazz. Upgrades are long at PAL, and the right to left seat progression is broken there just like it is everywhere. They might be able to manage a year or two, but as AC continues gobbling up pilots to hit their 6000 pilot target I can't see EIC/Jazz/Porter/Encore all being able to survive.
Who ever pays more will win. Currently this is Porter in the regional market. Encore is suffering a massive attrition, which jazz will soon follow.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:52 am
by Inverted2
If things get worse at Jazz I’m going to consider Porter and I’ve been at Jazz a long time.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:33 pm
by a2btrail
Inverted2 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:52 am
If things get worse at Jazz I’m going to consider Porter and I’ve been at Jazz a long time.
My advice don't wait! Bail now. Valuable seniority numbers across the industry is being scooped up! Porter is expecting in total 50 E2's. Not sure where they will get all the pilots though lol
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:50 pm
by airbussy
rudder wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:07 am
airbussy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 pm
PAL has lots a number of FOs lately to other regionals including Jazz. Upgrades are long at PAL, and the right to left seat progression is broken there just like it is everywhere. They might be able to manage a year or two, but as AC continues gobbling up pilots to hit their 6000 pilot target I can't see EIC/Jazz/Porter/Encore all being able to survive.
In 2010 CR said that he would never be ‘held hostage’ by Jazz again (he meant the Jazz pilots who were in collective bargaining). Perhaps MR feels the same way.
Problem in 2023 is that there is no hostage taking going on. It is simply the law of supply and demand. Pilots are in short supply and high demand.
Any carrier looking to secure Tier 2 lift should be wary of any regional capacity provider promising the moon. There is a finite supply of pilots to be hired and the operator offering the least attractive WAWCON will get the appropriate applicant response and suffer commensurate Pilot retention problems.
We'll never know how MR feels because he's been an invisible CEO. At least CR said what he was going to do, and did it. The current executive at AC are drifting in the breeze without any real direction, it seems.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 3:47 pm
by flyinhigh
airbussy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:50 pm
rudder wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:07 am
airbussy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 pm
PAL has lots a number of FOs lately to other regionals including Jazz. Upgrades are long at PAL, and the right to left seat progression is broken there just like it is everywhere. They might be able to manage a year or two, but as AC continues gobbling up pilots to hit their 6000 pilot target I can't see EIC/Jazz/Porter/Encore all being able to survive.
In 2010 CR said that he would never be ‘held hostage’ by Jazz again (he meant the Jazz pilots who were in collective bargaining). Perhaps MR feels the same way.
Problem in 2023 is that there is no hostage taking going on. It is simply the law of supply and demand. Pilots are in short supply and high demand.
Any carrier looking to secure Tier 2 lift should be wary of any regional capacity provider promising the moon. There is a finite supply of pilots to be hired and the operator offering the least attractive WAWCON will get the appropriate applicant response and suffer commensurate Pilot retention problems.
We'll never know how MR feels because he's been an invisible CEO. At least CR said what he was going to do, and did it. The current executive at AC are drifting in the breeze without any real direction, it seems.
Exactly, AC might be making money now but that is still a result of CR. This new CEO has made a number of Mis-steps and have many saying, WTF.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:55 am
by CaptDukeNukem
Inverted2 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:52 am
If things get worse at Jazz I’m going to consider Porter and I’ve been at Jazz a long time.
Come on over. The water’s nice.
Re: Air Canada Partners With PAL Airlines To Boost Regional Connectivity
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:09 am
by Nick678
Willing to bet that anyone at pal who is trying to get to AC will see their resume go into a different pile. AC can’t afford to “drain” their regionals
If only jazz had made an agreement to be the exclusive regional carrier for AC when it absorbed sky, Darn eh