YUL?

[afterburner&smoke]

Evening folks,

How's that yul base coming? That was to happen in '22 and yet here we are.

Also in another thread I saw questions about yhz and an answer saying maybe 2025 for Halifax. All good, but isn't yul a way better and moreover way bigger market to finally get into? And wasn't that the plan anyway?

What's the latest with that? If you're waiting for AC to make room for you, you're better hoping winning the lottery.

Regardless, here's to more competition on the market.

[the_new_guy]

Evening folks,

How's that yul base coming? That was to happen in '22 and yet here we are.

Also in another thread I saw questions about yhz and an answer saying maybe 2025 for Halifax. All good, but isn't yul a way better and moreover way bigger market to finally get into? And wasn't that the plan anyway?

What's the latest with that? If you're waiting for AC to make room for you, you're better hoping winning the lottery.

Regardless, here's to more competition on the market.

For as much as we're told, Montreal is still the next target base. As for market, we are already operating out of there, although I agree very little.

Yul being in constant construction/renovation while being one of the least efficient major airport in customer ability and capacity in the country isn't making it easy either.

I can't tell you what the plan is really, I'm not management so maybe someone can answer you better but that's what I know anyway.

Cheers

[Timetoflyagain]

Yul being in constant construction/renovation while being one of the least efficient major airport in customer ability and capacity in the country isn't making it easy either.

…and that’s why Porter not only opened its YUL/YHU base within 4 months of announcing it and also is creating a new national level airport in St. Hubert. Years and years of BS at YUL from construction, poor traffic management, airport administration hating anything that isnt AirTransat or AirCanada…

See you at YHU I’m sure in the years to come….

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yul being in constant construction/renovation while being one of the least efficient major airport in customer ability and capacity in the country isn't making it easy either.

…and that’s why Porter not only opened its YUL/YHU base within 4 months of announcing it and also is creating a new national level airport in St. Hubert. Years and years of BS at YUL from construction, poor traffic management, airport administration hating anything that isnt AirTransat or AirCanada…

See you at YHU I’m sure in the years to come….

+1

Rinse and repeat. Toronto island story 2.0.

[the_new_guy]

Yul being in constant construction/renovation while being one of the least efficient major airport in customer ability and capacity in the country isn't making it easy either.

…and that’s why Porter not only opened its YUL/YHU base within 4 months of announcing it and also is creating a new national level airport in St. Hubert. Years and years of BS at YUL from construction, poor traffic management, airport administration hating anything that isnt AirTransat or AirCanada…

See you at YHU I’m sure in the years to come….

I'd love to see that happen. The only issue with yhu is the inability to operate transborder /international flights. If that gets figured out, the hell with yul and its management. But we're not there yet..

We'll see later what that becomes.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yul being in constant construction/renovation while being one of the least efficient major airport in customer ability and capacity in the country isn't making it easy either.

…and that’s why Porter not only opened its YUL/YHU base within 4 months of announcing it and also is creating a new national level airport in St. Hubert. Years and years of BS at YUL from construction, poor traffic management, airport administration hating anything that isnt AirTransat or AirCanada…

See you at YHU I’m sure in the years to come….

I'd love to see that happen. The only issue with yhu is the inability to operate transborder /international flights. If that gets figured out, the hell with yul and its management. But we're not there yet..

We'll see later what that becomes.

I would like to think this is part of deluce’s plan eventually. Lots of red tape of course.

[Timetoflyagain]

I'd love to see that happen. The only issue with yhu is the inability to operate transborder /international flights. If that gets figured out, the hell with yul and its management.

..and when the blueprints for the new terminal get drawn…it’s guaranteed that there will be areas easily converted to customs halls and I’d wager..even us preclearance. YUL has a federally provided current monopoly on int’l flights till, I believe, 2025.
Let the games begin…

[accountant]

Evening folks,

How's that yul base coming? That was to happen in '22 and yet here we are.

Also in another thread I saw questions about yhz and an answer saying maybe 2025 for Halifax. All good, but isn't yul a way better and moreover way bigger market to finally get into? And wasn't that the plan anyway?

What's the latest with that? If you're waiting for AC to make room for you, you're better hoping winning the lottery.

Regardless, here's to more competition on the market.

WS was also supposed to have Delta wages in this round and that didn't happen. Troll on.

[afterburner&smoke]

Evening folks,

How's that yul base coming? That was to happen in '22 and yet here we are.

Also in another thread I saw questions about yhz and an answer saying maybe 2025 for Halifax. All good, but isn't yul a way better and moreover way bigger market to finally get into? And wasn't that the plan anyway?

What's the latest with that? If you're waiting for AC to make room for you, you're better hoping winning the lottery.

Regardless, here's to more competition on the market.

WS was also supposed to have Delta wages in this round and that didn't happen. Troll on.

Not trolling, just asking. If that's a sensitive subject, sorry

Meanwhile, if you pull yhu off (after porter builds a new terminal) I'd think that's even better for you guys, and on a competitive market that makes the most sense too. South of yul is a huge market that only has yul, but porter with its plans and maybe flair in the picture too, all located just south in yhu, I believe that has big potential.

[co-joe]

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For as much as we're told, Montreal is still the next target base. As for market, we are already operating out of there, although I agree very little.
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Very little? We're the second largest carrier out of YUL by number of passengers flown. Honestly the numbers are really impressive. I would really love to see a YUL base, we have so many amazing people commuting to yyz, and yow and I'm really pulling for them. YHU will happen but spending 200 million on a terminal is not a ULCC move. Porter has the deep pockets to make a bold move like that, and I'm sure it will be a successful venture once complete, but Quebec + construction = cost overruns, and I'd be surprised if they get the doors open for less than half a Billion, once they do, Flair will be a tenant.

[the_new_guy]

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For as much as we're told, Montreal is still the next target base. As for market, we are already operating out of there, although I agree very little.
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Very little? We're the second largest carrier out of YUL by number of passengers flown. Honestly the numbers are really impressive. I would really love to see a YUL base, we have so many amazing people commuting to yyz, and yow and I'm really pulling for them. YHU will happen but spending 200 million on a terminal is not a ULCC move. Porter has the deep pockets to make a bold move like that, and I'm sure it will be a successful venture once complete, but Quebec + construction = cost overruns, and I'd be surprised if they get the doors open for less than half a Billion, once they do, Flair will be a tenant.

You're right, my bad. What I meant by "very little" is by comparison to other bases. YYZ, yvr and yyc for example. YYZ if the biggest market in Canada, followed by YUL (or generally speaking the Montreal area). So we are operating a lot more flights by any unit of measure out of yvr for example than we are from YUL. So, in terms of potential, we are taping very little out of the Montreal market.

I don't mean that in a very negative/undermining way, I'm sure the years to come will have us operate a lot more out of Montreal and getting a bigger piece of that big pie. And Flair was born out west, it makes sense that we have a bigger presence there for the time being. But yeah, there's a lot of market waiting for us to show up in Montreal that's for sure.

[SPR]

Very little? We're the second largest carrier out of YUL by number of passengers flown.

I would love a source, because there's no way Flair carries more pax out of YUL than Transat, while only operating four domestic routes, including two that only run 4x weekly, and two seasonal US destinations that aren't in service. Even WestJet has more frequency out of YUL than Flair, so are you suggesting that your LFs are so much higher than theirs that you carry more pax on fewer flights? Porter, Delta, American, and on some days even Air France operate more flights than Flair.

[DanWEC]

Very little? We're the second largest carrier out of YUL by number of passengers flown.

Oh come on, that is one of the most hilariously innacurate statements I've seen in a long time! Totally beefed it.

Flair is a distant, Type 4 coloured speck behind Air Canada, Transat, Jazz, United, Delta, American, Air France, and, while I don't have the data for this, Probably about on par with the single daily 777 from Qatar.

I'm hoping you just misquoted the data or left out very specific criteria like "Second highest with passengers named Greg from 11:34 to 11:35 on April 5th"

[cdnavater]

I found a site that has some number, based on flights scheduled for next month as a snapshot, Flair didn’t rank in the top five.
AC of course, then Transat, Porter, Delta and American, not sure where he got this notion from, his CEO trying to boost moral?

[the_new_guy]

I found a site that has some number, based on flights scheduled for next month as a snapshot, Flair didn’t rank in the top five.
AC of course, then Transat, Porter, Delta and American, not sure where he got this notion from, his CEO trying to boost moral?

The ceo didn't say that. Not sure where the data he put out comes from.

Regardless, looking forward to the time where flair actually has an operation out of the Montreal area. I don't care if it's yul or yhu, so long that we're taping in that market for real.

[twa22]

There's a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but co-joe must have found the really good stuff... A quick flightradar24 look shows a whooping FOUR flair departures out of YUL today as of this post, with yesterday being even better at an eye watering TWO deperatures... Yea, two... So that's one Qatar 777 in capacity like DanWEC said

[co-joe]

There's a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but co-joe must have found the really good stuff... A quick flightradar24 look shows a whooping FOUR flair departures out of YUL today as of this post, with yesterday being even better at an eye watering TWO deperatures... Yea, two... So that's one Qatar 777 in capacity like DanWEC said

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today, how big is a Qatar 777 in your fantasy world?

[Tbayer2021]

There's a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but co-joe must have found the really good stuff... A quick flightradar24 look shows a whooping FOUR flair departures out of YUL today as of this post, with yesterday being even better at an eye watering TWO deperatures... Yea, two... So that's one Qatar 777 in capacity like DanWEC said

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today, how big is a Qatar 777 in your fantasy world?

Probably a much more realistic world than the one where flair is the second largest carrier out of YUL by number or passengers flown.

[twa22]

There's a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but co-joe must have found the really good stuff... A quick flightradar24 look shows a whooping FOUR flair departures out of YUL today as of this post, with yesterday being even better at an eye watering TWO deperatures... Yea, two... So that's one Qatar 777 in capacity like DanWEC said

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today, how big is a Qatar 777 in your fantasy world?

Depending on seating variant, Qatar 777 hold anywhere from 335 to 412 pax...

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qatar ... mation.php

Flair has 2 departures today, July 1st out of YUL, according to the official YUL airport website

I'll let you do the math, but I think that fantasy kool-aid you're having is quite strong

[cdnavater]

There's a lot of Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but co-joe must have found the really good stuff... A quick flightradar24 look shows a whooping FOUR flair departures out of YUL today as of this post, with yesterday being even better at an eye watering TWO deperatures... Yea, two... So that's one Qatar 777 in capacity like DanWEC said

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today, how big is a Qatar 777 in your fantasy world?

Way to double down on the delusional comments, in your world, what? Flair is number two to AC.
It’s probably accurate that YUL is number the two airport in Canada for passenger traffic, but I would put Flair at number 6-8(generous) but you are welcome to show your work!

[DanWEC]

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today, how big is a Qatar 777 in your fantasy world?

That's your take-home?

Please show how Flair moves more passengers out of YUL than Transat, Porter, Jazz, United, Delta, American, Air France, WestJet, Lufthansa, hell, even PAL!

At least #9. Far closer to the bottom than the top!

[Hangry]

Doubling down when you’re wrong is literally the worst trait a pilot can have.

[flyinhigh]

I guess by co-joes account they are the #1 in YQT with there 3 flights a week as well.

[DanWEC]

I guess by co-joes account they are the #1 in YQT with there 3 flights a week as well.

100%. I heard the competition bureau is going to start looking at Flair for having such a monopoly.
Canadians need more choices.

[porcsord]

We're the second largest carrier out of YUL by number of passengers flown

Perhaps he meant second largest carrier nationally? Although I suspect Flair is not that either.

Flair flew a lot more than 316 people out of YUL today

Oh never mind.