New Payscale

[josejimenes33]

Hi,

Can anyone share the current Porter payscale, FO and CA?

[cjp]

Porter Pay

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[Hamburglar]

Wow what a joke. I make more and have a better schedule at my 703. I was thinking of jumping over, but not for that pay.

[BaldChewbacca]

Ya that's the sentiment I'm hearing from a lot of people right now. I've had a few friends contact me for information about applying, but decide against Porter because of the pay. Not a good look for the company at all.

Apparently there will be a pay increase for the Q drivers by the end of July, but it would have to be substantial with how good 703s have become. Attrition to AC and WJ will always happen, but being less attractive than a 703 is frankly insulting

[cjp]

Wow what a joke. I make more and have a better schedule at my 703. I was thinking of jumping over, but not for that pay.

Ok...

[goingnowherefast]

What is the schedule like on that pay?

Rotational schedules in 703/704 world (14/14 or 7/7) usually mean working 12 out of every every 28 days or about 13-14 days per calendar month.

Granted Porter pilots aren't deicing their own King Air in North Fort Lake, but schedule is an important part of the decision too.

[8895]

What is the schedule like on that pay?

Rotational schedules in 703/704 world (14/14 or 7/7) usually mean working 12 out of every every 28 days or about 13-14 days per calendar month.

Granted Porter pilots aren't deicing their own King Air in North Fort Lake, but schedule is an important part of the decision too.

On the dash side of the operation, if you’re an FO right now you’re not working much, especially if you’re YTZ based. Probably averaging around 5 grey days a month. They did a lot of hiring in preparation for the anticipated growth of the company so the shelves are a little overstocked right now. They’re starting to transfer some dash FO’s over to the jet though so I’m sure once more of those tails show up on property and transfers continue, everyone will be working more.

Captains on the other hand are in a very noticeable shortage and it’s having quite the effect on the operation.

As for the E2 side of the operation all I’ve heard is that it’s busy, and looking at the seniority list they basically have the opposite issue that the dash operation has (a lot more captains then FO’s, although this seems more planned as they prioritized training left seat drivers first). I’m sure the internal transfers as well as OTS hires onto the jet will continue for the foreseeable future.

[goingnowherefast]

What's the minimum/maximum number of days worked?

Credits/month? Are pairings generally productive?

What are grey days?

[cjp]

What's the minimum/maximum number of days worked?

Credits/month? Are pairings generally productive?

What are grey days?

- E2 avg right now is 16 days (some as low as 12, most 14-18)
- MMG 80
- Pairings on the E2 typically are 3-5 day, decent productivity due to stage length of western flights, highest credit pairing is 25 hours-ish. Single day turns available as well. More westerns and central Canada being added including Victoria and Winterpeg. U.S coming to Porter YYZ customers sometime this fall/winter.
- Grey days are when no work is scheduled (no rsv, no flights), but you are on a call list (not on call though). Answer the phone and get 2X pay.

[pilotguy53]

What's the minimum/maximum number of days worked?

Credits/month? Are pairings generally productive?

What are grey days?

- E2 avg right now is 16 days (some as low as 12, most 14-18)
- MMG 80
- Pairings on the E2 typically are 3-5 day, decent productivity due to stage length of western flights, highest credit pairing is 25 hours-ish. Single day turns available as well. More westerns and central Canada being added including Victoria and Winterpeg. U.S coming to Porter YYZ customers sometime this fall/winter.
- Grey days are when no work is scheduled (no rsv, no flights), but you are on a call list (not on call though). Answer the phone and get 2X pay.

CJP:
New to the airline gig, but hoping you can clarify a few things since I will have a long commute from out West:
1) Can you do back-to-back pairings? ie, a 4 day followed by a 3 day, as long as it is legal within CARs?
2) 16 days average: is this within a 28 day period?
3) Do you find a mix of what people want, ie. some pilots want single day trips, some want the longest pairing possible?

Thanks in advance.

[cdnavater]

What's the minimum/maximum number of days worked?

Credits/month? Are pairings generally productive?

What are grey days?

- E2 avg right now is 16 days (some as low as 12, most 14-18)
- MMG 80
- Pairings on the E2 typically are 3-5 day, decent productivity due to stage length of western flights, highest credit pairing is 25 hours-ish. Single day turns available as well. More westerns and central Canada being added including Victoria and Winterpeg. U.S coming to Porter YYZ customers sometime this fall/winter.
- Grey days are when no work is scheduled (no rsv, no flights), but you are on a call list (not on call though). Answer the phone and get 2X pay.

CJP:
New to the airline gig, but hoping you can clarify a few things since I will have a long commute from out West:
1) Can you do back-to-back pairings? ie, a 4 day followed by a 3 day, as long as it is legal within CARs?
2) 16 days average: is this within a 28 day period?
3) Do you find a mix of what people want, ie. some pilots want single day trips, some want the longest pairing possible?

Thanks in advance.

FWIW, a three day and four day would not be CARs compliant, max 6 days on with 24 hours off. It has made commuting more fatiguing because you now must do three rotations or the other option two sets of 6 on, 1 off, 2 on for a 9 day stretch. I was doing that for a while but got tired of burning two of my days off at base instead of home. So, 6 on, 4 off, 6 on, 4 off, 4 on and whatever is left in the month off.

[cjp]

What's the minimum/maximum number of days worked?

Credits/month? Are pairings generally productive?

What are grey days?

- E2 avg right now is 16 days (some as low as 12, most 14-18)
- MMG 80
- Pairings on the E2 typically are 3-5 day, decent productivity due to stage length of western flights, highest credit pairing is 25 hours-ish. Single day turns available as well. More westerns and central Canada being added including Victoria and Winterpeg. U.S coming to Porter YYZ customers sometime this fall/winter.
- Grey days are when no work is scheduled (no rsv, no flights), but you are on a call list (not on call though). Answer the phone and get 2X pay.

CJP:
New to the airline gig, but hoping you can clarify a few things since I will have a long commute from out West:
1) Can you do back-to-back pairings? ie, a 4 day followed by a 3 day, as long as it is legal within CARs?
2) 16 days average: is this within a 28 day period?
3) Do you find a mix of what people want, ie. some pilots want single day trips, some want the longest pairing possible?

Thanks in advance.

CaptDukeNukem I would say from the information he's provided this forum would be able to give the most accurate representation as it sounds like he has a comparison from Jazz/Sky.

As far as commuting, schedules are currently hand built and don't always come out exactly as one would like. We have been advised that PBS will open in the fall (which may or may not improve the situation for our commuters).

Yes 16-18 days working within 28.

I've got a pretty generic bid, and I include my days off that I want and scheduling has been very fair giving me my days off each month. Training is a whole different ballgame.

Right now it's a bit hit and miss as the operation is still finding it's feet as far as crewing. Would you be entering as a Captain or FO?

FYI MMG has dropped to 75, but rates have gone up.

[cdnavater]

- E2 avg right now is 16 days (some as low as 12, most 14-18)
- MMG 80
- Pairings on the E2 typically are 3-5 day, decent productivity due to stage length of western flights, highest credit pairing is 25 hours-ish. Single day turns available as well. More westerns and central Canada being added including Victoria and Winterpeg. U.S coming to Porter YYZ customers sometime this fall/winter.
- Grey days are when no work is scheduled (no rsv, no flights), but you are on a call list (not on call though). Answer the phone and get 2X pay.

CJP:
New to the airline gig, but hoping you can clarify a few things since I will have a long commute from out West:
1) Can you do back-to-back pairings? ie, a 4 day followed by a 3 day, as long as it is legal within CARs?
2) 16 days average: is this within a 28 day period?
3) Do you find a mix of what people want, ie. some pilots want single day trips, some want the longest pairing possible?

Thanks in advance.

CaptDukeNukem I would say from the information he's provided this forum would be able to give the most accurate representation as it sounds like he has a comparison from Jazz/Sky.

As far as commuting, schedules are currently hand built and don't always come out exactly as one would like. We have been advised that PBS will open in the fall (which may or may not improve the situation for our commuters).

Yes 16-18 days working within 28.

I've got a pretty generic bid, and I include my days off that I want and scheduling has been very fair giving me my days off each month. Training is a whole different ballgame.

Right now it's a bit hit and miss as the operation is still finding it's feet as far as crewing. Would you be entering as a Captain or FO?

FYI MMG has dropped to 75, but rates have gone up.

Could you clarify, 16-18 out of 28?
Are your bid periods 4 weeks, so 13 bid periods per year?

[braaap Braap]

Could you clarify, 16-18 out of 28?
Are your bid periods 4 weeks, so 13 bid periods per year?

Not sure why CJP said 28, our bids are usually monthly 30 or 31 days. Janury February March July August and September have an extra day spill into/from the other month to smooth things out.

[cdnavater]

Could you clarify, 16-18 out of 28?
Are your bid periods 4 weeks, so 13 bid periods per year?

Not sure why CJP said 28, our bids are usually monthly 30 or 31 days. Janury February March July August and September have an extra day spill into/from the other month to smooth things out.

Ok, same as us at Jazz then, well only 1 from January and March making all three 30 day bid periods.

[braaap Braap]

Could you clarify, 16-18 out of 28?
Are your bid periods 4 weeks, so 13 bid periods per year?

Not sure why CJP said 28, our bids are usually monthly 30 or 31 days. Janury February March July August and September have an extra day spill into/from the other month to smooth things out.

Ok, same as us at Jazz then, well only 1 from January and March making all three 30 day bid periods.

You thinking about making the jump? You and CaptDuke can duke it out on the YVR turns and Ill promise to use less emojis

[CaptDukeNukem]

Not sure why CJP said 28, our bids are usually monthly 30 or 31 days. Janury February March July August and September have an extra day spill into/from the other month to smooth things out.

Ok, same as us at Jazz then, well only 1 from January and March making all three 30 day bid periods.

You thinking about making the jump? You and CaptDuke can duke it out on the YVR turns and Ill promise to use less emojis

Lol. What’s wrong with YVR turns!? Two legs for 10 credits. Sign me up buttercup.

[braaap Braap]

Ok, same as us at Jazz then, well only 1 from January and March making all three 30 day bid periods.

You thinking about making the jump? You and CaptDuke can duke it out on the YVR turns and Ill promise to use less emojis

Lol. What’s wrong with YVR turns!? Two legs for 10 credits. Sign me up buttercup.

Absolutely nothing. Imo doesnt get much better than that. I was referring more to our little 3 way (you me and cdn) tussle earlier this year/late last.

[CaptDukeNukem]

You thinking about making the jump? You and CaptDuke can duke it out on the YVR turns and Ill promise to use less emojis

Lol. What’s wrong with YVR turns!? Two legs for 10 credits. Sign me up buttercup.

Absolutely nothing. Imo doesnt get much better than that. I was referring more to our little 3 way (you me and cdn) tussle earlier this year/late last.

Ahh… apologies. Lol. I read it incorrectly. Cdnavater and I have had our battles and so have you and I, but it’s not about that… it’s about throwing the issues that we currently face and try to make it better. I respect you; as much as I respect everyone on this forum (apart from the trolls)

All this is, is us trying to make things better, and learning about each other, and where is best to make a nest

[cjp]

CJP:
New to the airline gig, but hoping you can clarify a few things since I will have a long commute from out West:
1) Can you do back-to-back pairings? ie, a 4 day followed by a 3 day, as long as it is legal within CARs?
2) 16 days average: is this within a 28 day period?
3) Do you find a mix of what people want, ie. some pilots want single day trips, some want the longest pairing possible?

Thanks in advance.

CaptDukeNukem I would say from the information he's provided this forum would be able to give the most accurate representation as it sounds like he has a comparison from Jazz/Sky.

As far as commuting, schedules are currently hand built and don't always come out exactly as one would like. We have been advised that PBS will open in the fall (which may or may not improve the situation for our commuters).

Yes 16-18 days working within 28.

I've got a pretty generic bid, and I include my days off that I want and scheduling has been very fair giving me my days off each month. Training is a whole different ballgame.

Right now it's a bit hit and miss as the operation is still finding it's feet as far as crewing. Would you be entering as a Captain or FO?

FYI MMG has dropped to 75, but rates have gone up.

Could you clarify, 16-18 out of 28?
Are your bid periods 4 weeks, so 13 bid periods per year?

Yeah you know what, I don't know why I wrote 28 days, previous operation, old knowledge. Apologies for the misleading information friends.

Looking at NOC, it's whatever the month is, so I'm seeing approximately 18 days flying line in a 30-31 day period. I also have max credit for the month applied on my bid cause I like money and I figure this constant OT will run out very soon.

That makes 12 bidding periods per year.

Looking at some of my colleagues schedules, they are between 10-14 days on without any vacation applied.

[cdnavater]

Lol. What’s wrong with YVR turns!? Two legs for 10 credits. Sign me up buttercup.

Absolutely nothing. Imo doesnt get much better than that. I was referring more to our little 3 way (you me and cdn) tussle earlier this year/late last.

Ahh… apologies. Lol. I read it incorrectly. Cdnavater and I have had our battles and so have you and I, but it’s not about that… it’s about throwing the issues that we currently face and try to make it better. I respect you; as much as I respect everyone on this forum (apart from the trolls)

All this is, is us trying to make things better, and learning about each other, and where is best to make a nest

Hey guys, I think what Porter is doing is great, I wish you well and hope we all get to work until retirement at our chosen airlines.
I wish I could or had the balls to jump ship, I’m in the golden handcuffs stage of my career and will have to be forced to start over, hopefully that doesn’t happen.
Our battles were over emotion, I love what Jazz used to be and I am fully aware of what it’s turned into, I get defensive of misinformation or exaggeration but I also don’t encourage anyone to come here or stay at this point. Hopefully(yes hope) they can right the ship but I’m slowly losing any faith I had, something has to happen soon!
I hope you guys can get those working days down, I’m working 16 and that’s too many, 18 is not a good commute lifestyle.
Cheers

[Falcon1530]

Anyone know what the average take home is with the new E2 FO pay?

[braaap Braap]

Anyone know what the average take home is with the new E2 FO pay?

New pay rates were effective Aug 1st. 1st pay check that will have this will be end of August. Guessing ~2k/check take home.

[cjp]

Anyone know what the average take home is with the new E2 FO pay?

New pay rates were effective Aug 1st. 1st pay check that will have this will be end of August. Guessing ~2k/check take home.

bB is right on min guarantee. There is opportunity for OT in both seats, I would imagine people are going to do much better than the min guarantee other than for the 2-3 months of ground and sim training.

[braaap Braap]

Anyone know what the average take home is with the new E2 FO pay?

New pay rates were effective Aug 1st. 1st pay check that will have this will be end of August. Guessing ~2k/check take home.

bB is right on min guarantee. There is opportunity for OT in both seats, I would imagine people are going to do much better than the min guarantee other than for the 2-3 months of ground and sim training.

Ya the MMG sliding from 85 to 80 to 75 feels like a two edged sword. Sure your guarantee is lower (for mortgages, lending, etc) but once staffing improves itll be easier to get in the window and until then you’ll get straight time above MMG so the only ones who will feel the decrease are those unable to grow their blocks