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Keewatin PC-24

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Call me crazy but since when did Keewatin have a pc-24. Or is that a typo ?
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It's been in the works for quite a while
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How is it doing on gravel? Any ingestion problems?
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I mean, I think all king air medevac operators should be eyeing up those PC24s.... don't want to be the last kid on the block to get one.
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porcsord wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:49 am I mean, I think all king air medevac operators should be eyeing up those PC24s.... don't want to be the last kid on the block to get one.
Then again, people are concerned about 1500 hour king air captains operating in the north. Now you want to get 1500 hour jet captains? :wink:
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I think it’s part of the recently awarded Manitoba medevac contract they got
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digits_ wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:51 am Now you want to get 1500 hour jet captains?
Well I mean, it goes faster, so they build experience faster.... right?
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porcsord wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:19 pm
digits_ wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:51 am Now you want to get 1500 hour jet captains?
Well I mean, it goes faster, so they build experience faster.... right?
Which means they'll be able to go to AC even faster :mrgreen:
Especially with Jet PIC!
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Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
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Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
Same as the King Air 200s, PC-12s, Dash 8s, and ATRs in the area, I assume.
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lownslow wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:47 pm
Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
Same as the King Air 200s, PC-12s, Dash 8s, and ATRs in the area, I assume.
So they won't then. I hope the tail of the jet can handle some some contamination as well as those other planes. Well not the ATR, as that crew in Saskatchewan found out.
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Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:47 pm
lownslow wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:47 pm
Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
Same as the King Air 200s, PC-12s, Dash 8s, and ATRs in the area, I assume.
So they won't then. I hope the tail of the jet can handle some some contamination as well as those other planes. Well not the ATR, as that crew in Saskatchewan found out.
It should be good to go without being deiced.
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Can these be operated single pilot?
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Commonwealth wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:24 am Can these be operated single pilot?
I believe they are single pilot certified. But I wouldn't worry about that, at least not for now. Plenty of medevac equipment currently flying up North are single pilot certified but operated 2 crew.
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Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
You could do what was “suggested” to me years ago, you take your garden sprayer of unheated de-ice fluid and arc the stream up there, then it’s a wing and a prayer from there!
Needless to say, I turned the suggestion down, didn’t last too long at that company.
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Imagine you land your medevac jet in Fort Lake and the patient isn't there waiting. Freezing drizzle or wet snow starts falling. What's your move?
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Daniel Cooper wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:09 am Imagine you land your medevac jet in Fort Lake and the patient isn't there waiting. Freezing drizzle or wet snow starts falling. What's your move?
Go wait inside the crappy terminal building so you don’t get wet. Duh.
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I don’t see how they’re going to service this new contract unless they up their pay even more from their latest increase. They can’t even service the contracts they already hold cause of staffing issues. Flying a brand new PC24 would be nice until you realize the mess of an organization you’ve gotten yourself into.
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No kidding - I’d be all over flying a -24 if I was still in the medevac game, but the *complete* BS of the ‘rolling 14 hour duty day’ that Manitoba uses? Not an effing chance.
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Daniel Cooper wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:09 am Imagine you land your medevac jet in Fort Lake and the patient isn't there waiting. Freezing drizzle or wet snow starts falling. What's your move?
I get your point, but that doesn't depend on the airplane type. As mentioned above: King Airs, ATRs all deal with those same issues.
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I watched a PC-12 take off with icicles hanging off the aileron. Pilot broke off SOME of them before hoping in and starting up. As they taxiied out or sight in the snow storm, I assumed they were headed back to their ramp. Quite surprised (for 2 reasons) when I saw them airborne a few minutes later.

Is the PC-24 certified for wing-icicle take-offs?

Also, this was well after the ATR event in Saskatchewan. I guess we're not learned good enough and more people need to die before we become smart.
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What’s this rolling 14 hour duty ??
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Otto Pilot wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:17 pm What’s this rolling 14 hour duty ??
Whenever you get called, your duty starts for 14 hours. Could be 9 am one day, 11pm 2 days later. Constantly switching between day and nights without any notice.

Used to be the standard in Manitoba. Some companies seemed to have changed a bit, but apparently not everyone yet.
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Dry Guy wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm Did they operate it in winter yet? How do they deice the t-tail for takeoff at out-stations?
Warm spray bottle, stand on back of pickup truck.
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