CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:49 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Classic Avbanana.ça clique bait.

Many of us pro’s have had an incident/accident. While I am not proud of mine I certainly resent some smuck painting me and others with a wide brush.

CanadaAir, speak for yourself and not on behalf of all of us.


TPC

fish4life wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:01 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:49 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Classic Avbanana.ça clique bait.

Many of us pro’s have had an incident/accident. While I am not proud of mine I certainly resent some smuck painting me and others with a wide brush.

CanadaAir, speak for yourself and not on behalf of all of us.


TPC

I think what he is trying to say is there can be a lot of distractions and added stresses as we approach contract time / possible strikes and to try keep the talk to non critical times of flight etc.

fish4life wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:01 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:49 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Classic Avbanana.ça clique bait.

Many of us pro’s have had an incident/accident. While I am not proud of mine I certainly resent some smuck painting me and others with a wide brush.

CanadaAir, speak for yourself and not on behalf of all of us.


TPC

I think what he is trying to say is there can be a lot of distractions and added stresses as we approach contract time / possible strikes and to try keep the talk to non critical times of flight etc.

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:39 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

Those are changes required as well.

If pilots are repeatedly unable to eat or lack of sleep, this should be address with management & MEC.
Hold your MEC to task with the improvements you want.

If there're problem legs the airline can modify schedules to allow crew more time to eat or sleep, or divide up an existing schedule with fresh crew. Even small regionals have the ability to board meals if necessary.

FO can talk with captains on how to approach management
Let your captain know if you’re not feeling well or haven’t eaten. They can delay the departure to allow you to get food.

digits_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:31 pm Isn't the title factually incorrect?

I don't know of any airline contract where crews get raises for not crashing or don't get raises if they do damage an airplane.

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:13 am

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:39 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

Those are changes required as well.

If pilots are repeatedly unable to eat or lack of sleep, this should be address with management & MEC.
Hold your MEC to task with the improvements you want.

If there're problem legs the airline can modify schedules to allow crew more time to eat or sleep, or divide up an existing schedule with fresh crew. Even small regionals have the ability to board meals if necessary.

FO can talk with captains on how to approach management
Let your captain know if you’re not feeling well or haven’t eaten. They can delay the departure to allow you to get food.

How cute your ideas are. Address the whole message...

The company doesn't care. It's adversarial and it's all they're concerned with.

Bottom line. Minimum cost.

That is all that matters to the managers, that's what drives their payday.

I'll manage my flight as I see fit and have whatever discussion I want with my colleagues at work.

If you believe it's so bad, I suggest that you book to fly with another airline with an industry leading pilot contract and compensation.

The Hammer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:09 am Oh well I made a decision, I'll live with it.

Maybe it's the farmer in me. If I signed a contract to sell canola this winter at $19.62/bushel and prices go up after that then that's on me.

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

With due respect, while I appreciate the reminder on stresses at work and managing it accordingly (ie. booking off if unfit), I'll manage my flight as I see fit and have whatever discussion I want with my colleagues at work.

If you think that the acrimony and egregious treatment from the employer is so much that crews can't handle themselves at work, I suggest that you book to fly with another airline with an industry leading pilot contract and compensation.

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

I guarantee all that weighs harder than the cathartic release that is colleagues finding unity on flights decks in a common cause of improvement in wawcon, and improving their families' quality of life. Plus there's too much improvement needed to cover it all on only a hotel shuttle wait.

fish4life wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:01 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:49 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

Classic Avbanana.ça clique bait.

Many of us pro’s have had an incident/accident. While I am not proud of mine I certainly resent some smuck painting me and others with a wide brush.

CanadaAir, speak for yourself and not on behalf of all of us.


TPC

I think what he is trying to say is there can be a lot of distractions and added stresses as we approach contract time / possible strikes and to try keep the talk to non critical times of flight etc.

Mac08 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:11 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:18 pm Lots of union & pay talk going on between pilots

None of us want to be a passenger with crew that enter wrong FMS data while discussing a collective agreement

Focus on the aircraft while on duty

There’s time to talk MEC updates when waiting for crew transport or at the hotels
You can even volunteer with committees when not working

Don’t spoil the potential gains for pilots with incidents that muddle up the pilot reputation

With due respect, while I appreciate the reminder on stresses at work and managing it accordingly (ie. booking off if unfit), I'll manage my flight as I see fit and have whatever discussion I want with my colleagues at work.

If you think that the acrimony and egregious treatment from the employer is so much that crews can't handle themselves at work, I suggest that you book to fly with another airline with an industry leading pilot contract and compensation.

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

I guarantee all that weighs harder than the cathartic release that is colleagues finding unity on flights decks in a common cause of improvement in wawcon, and improving their families' quality of life. Plus there's too much improvement needed to cover it all on only a hotel shuttle wait.

My god you sound like whiney prick.

I’m all onboard getting rid of the flat pay and increased wages, but sitting there with the crying “My flight I do what I want” attitude is just embarrassing. Are you 12? Not everyone wants to talk about your issues or opinion.

Send me your schedule so I can avoid flying with you like everyone else probably does after hearing you whine.

The Hammer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:09 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:13 am

CanadaAir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:39 pm

Those are changes required as well.

If pilots are repeatedly unable to eat or lack of sleep, this should be address with management & MEC.
Hold your MEC to task with the improvements you want.

If there're problem legs the airline can modify schedules to allow crew more time to eat or sleep, or divide up an existing schedule with fresh crew. Even small regionals have the ability to board meals if necessary.

FO can talk with captains on how to approach management
Let your captain know if you’re not feeling well or haven’t eaten. They can delay the departure to allow you to get food.

How cute your ideas are. Address the whole message...

The company doesn't care. It's adversarial and it's all they're concerned with.

Bottom line. Minimum cost.

That is all that matters to the managers, that's what drives their payday.

I'll manage my flight as I see fit and have whatever discussion I want with my colleagues at work.

If you believe it's so bad, I suggest that you book to fly with another airline with an industry leading pilot contract and compensation.

It's yours to manage unless SOP's state otherwise. Maybe you follow then closely and manage appropriately but a significant number of your colleagues do not. I don't need to listen to my colleague bitch for 8 minutes below 10,000 on arrival and inside the IAF but there's some that sure do. I say something and the Captain grumpy pants pouts the rest of the pairing. Which one are you?

I accepted the job knowing my working conditions and the # of days I'm gonna work, in the digital era there's no reason not to have a reasonable understanding. For sure I want them improved but I also know what I agreed to. As you stated divorces in aviation are common, there's no reason to be oblivious to that when you sign on after your 1st job. Maybe it's the farmer in me. If I signed a contract to sell canola this winter at $19.62/bushel and prices go up after that then that's on me. No different than a fixed vs variable mortgage.... 4 years ago I wouldn't have dreamed I'd be getting screwed this badly on my mortgage. Oh well I made a decision, I'll live with it.

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:48 am

Mac08 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:11 pm

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:08 pm

With due respect, while I appreciate the reminder on stresses at work and managing it accordingly (ie. booking off if unfit), I'll manage my flight as I see fit and have whatever discussion I want with my colleagues at work.

If you think that the acrimony and egregious treatment from the employer is so much that crews can't handle themselves at work, I suggest that you book to fly with another airline with an industry leading pilot contract and compensation.

Seriously you should be more concerned with chronic fatigue brought on by unrealistic planning and scheduling and a crappy contract.

You should be concerned with pilots skipping meals on layover while dealing with financial stresses being brought on by substandard pay and high costs of living in this country, while being shorted their expenses.

You should be more concerned with the stresses undergone by pilots away 16 - 20+ days/month, plus training days, plus possible commuting days, dealing with that stress, the stress of missing their kids lives, going through a divorce because they're so rarely there.

I guarantee all that weighs harder than the cathartic release that is colleagues finding unity on flights decks in a common cause of improvement in wawcon, and improving their families' quality of life. Plus there's too much improvement needed to cover it all on only a hotel shuttle wait.

My god you sound like whiney prick.

I’m all onboard getting rid of the flat pay and increased wages, but sitting there with the crying “My flight I do what I want” attitude is just embarrassing. Are you 12? Not everyone wants to talk about your issues or opinion.

Send me your schedule so I can avoid flying with you like everyone else probably does after hearing you whine.

Hey, how about go fûck yourself.

Mac08 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:29 am

altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:48 am

Mac08 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:11 pm

My god you sound like whiney prick.

I’m all onboard getting rid of the flat pay and increased wages, but sitting there with the crying “My flight I do what I want” attitude is just embarrassing. Are you 12? Not everyone wants to talk about your issues or opinion.

Send me your schedule so I can avoid flying with you like everyone else probably does after hearing you whine.

Hey, how about go fûck yourself.

Very creative response.

“Top Poster” How about you start being a professional airline pilot instead of a keyboard warrior.