Landing with the gear up....

conehead · Post by **conehead** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:36 pm

OK, who landed with the gear retracted today in YMM? That kinda practice can get ya fired!

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:34 pm

I love arm chair pilots...

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:52 pm

I betcha 10 bucks whomever it is never does it again.

So if it does get him/her fired someone else benefits from the experience.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:50 am

It takes a lot of power to taxi back to the ramp when you pull that stunt.

cedar tree · Post by **cedar tree** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:04 am

The pilot of the Turbo Commander 690 did a go-around, he forgot the gear on the second attempt, did a perfect landing as the props didn't even hit the ground. This isn't the first time a pilot has landed gear up after a go-around. It's a sucker hole, especially single pilot.

flyingscotsman · Post by **flyingscotsman** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:38 am

Just remember the
G(gas)
U(undercarriage)
M(mixture)
P(prop)
Check and you should have no problems that are your mistake

McPhoo · Post by **McPhoo** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:52 am

did a perfect landing as the props didn't even hit the ground

Perhaps so but I'm thinking that you could land quite poorly and still not nick the props on a Commander. Wouldn't the fuslage keep the props clear? At any rate, I have to agree with KAG.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:28 pm

cedar tree wrote:The pilot of the Turbo Commander 690 did a go-around, he forgot the gear on the second attempt, did a perfect landing as the props didn't even hit the ground. This isn't the first time a pilot has landed gear up after a go-around. It's a sucker hole, especially single pilot.

MMMMMM, checklist. even if you are single pilot. thats what will avoid this situation

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:27 pm

flyingscotsman wrote:Just remember the
G(gas)
U(undercarriage)
M(mixture)
P(prop)
Check and you should have no problems that are your mistake

That is also what I used for years in single pilot operations, then after that on light twins flying with another pilot I still always did it silently to myself when we were on final.

Even now, after 20 years since my single engine days, I still find myself saying the same thing on final.

There are some things that you never forget.

conehead · Post by **conehead** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:04 pm

KAG wrote:I love arm chair pilots...

Excuse me. I'm not a pilot.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:52 am

cedar tree wrote:The pilot of the Turbo Commander 690 did a go-around, he forgot the gear on the second attempt, did a perfect landing as the props didn't even hit the ground.

Yup perfect landing, he kept the wing firmly fixed to the top of the aircraft so that the props wouldn't strike the ground. I knew I've been forgetting something.

Raybanman · Post by **Raybanman** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:23 pm

cedar tree wrote:The pilot of the Turbo Commander 690 did a go-around, he forgot the gear on the second attempt, did a perfect landing as the props didn't even hit the ground. This isn't the first time a pilot has landed gear up after a go-around. It's a sucker hole, especially single pilot.

I was watching when it happened... I don't remember it going around, I watched him cross over head, turned to continue my conversation with the F/O a minute or so later he goes "whats this guy doin?" I turn back around in time to watch them touch down on thier belly. Felt real bad for the crew, and there were two of them it wasn't a single pilot situation, I watched them walk off the field.

Cheers,
PP

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:24 am

Isn't it all about following procedures, really?

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:32 am

Quote: and there were two of them it wasn't a single pilot situation

Actually yes it would have been a single pilot operation. The second person in the Birddogs are Air Attack Leaders who work for the fire program. They are non-pilots!!!

Raybanman · Post by **Raybanman** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:11 am

Okay I'm dumb. My mistake :>

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:10 am

charlie_g wrote:Isn't it all about following procedures, really?

Aside from a DC-9 that landed gear-up in the US midwest years back (while the captain was musing during descent about the impact of rain on the tennis game he had planned on), I can't recall an accident report in the US or Canada in the last 15 years that involved an airliner landing gear up.

I guess if all pilots followed procedures as rigorously as the airlines, it wouldn't happen in light twins or singles either.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:50 pm

charlie_g wrote:
charlie_g wrote:Isn't it all about following procedures, really?
Aside from a DC-9 that landed gear-up in the US midwest years back (while the captain was musing during descent about the impact of rain on the tennis game he had planned on), I can't recall an accident report in the US or Canada in the last 15 years that involved an airliner landing gear up.

I guess if all pilots followed procedures as rigorously as the airlines, it wouldn't happen in light twins or singles either.

I wonder what impact landing with the gear up had on his tennis game

Treehawk · Post by **Treehawk** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:17 pm

That is a drag indeed. Does anyone know the company? I know that Conair uses the turbo commander bird dogging.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:12 pm

[/quote]I guess if all pilots followed procedures as rigorously as the airlines, it wouldn't happen in light twins or singles either.[/quote]

If all single and light twin pilots did that, the suicide rate among pilots would soar...(pun intended).

The least you can ask for is some fun in the air before the Airlines suck it out of you.

STL

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:23 pm

sky's the limit wrote:

I guess if all pilots followed procedures as rigorously as the airlines, it wouldn't happen in light twins or singles either.[/quote]

If all single and light twin pilots did that, the suicide rate among pilots would soar...(pun intended).

The least you can ask for is some fun in the air before the Airlines suck it out of you.

STL[/quote]

Who kills themselves over SOPs? Are you fucked in the head?

... · Post by **...** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:36 pm

Treehawk wrote:Does anyone know the company? I know that Conair uses the turbo commander bird dogging.

...what he said.

anyone?

Treetopflyer · Post by **Treetopflyer** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:12 pm

Transcapital did it about a month or so with a DASH 7. How do you do that?!?

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:19 pm

Does anyone know the company?

Airspray

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:02 pm

There are two kinds of pilots.Those who have landed gear up and those that are going to.

tailgunner · Post by **tailgunner** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:18 pm

At least they walked away....Thankfuly it was not worse.