Sunwest is offering
FO on Metro 23 31,200$ per year
Captain Metro 23 48,000$ per year

add 300$ per month if training captain.

I'm just wondering what other Metro 23 crews are making around the country...
thanks

Sorry, but I can't hear you over what sounds like a leaf blower in the background!

ok.........not sure I got that last post?!?

Means that POS you are going to be flying is loud. Very, very loud.

toolow_flaps wrote:Sorry, but I can't hear you over what sounds like a leaf blower in the background!

67 traffic this is perimeter 69 500 miles north of winnipeg on r86 over head island lake, south bound to winnipeg in 2 hours...................All this drowned out by the noise of the POS....

and yes I know they don't operate 23's

C-GMWW, is a Metro 23, operated by Perimeter.

They have C-GFWX, C-FFJM, and C-FVWH which are all Metro III's as well as 23 or so of the II's and a short body Merlin. To compliment their Dash 8 and Beech 99's.

Yes they are loud and some of the Radio calls are long but they make more money than you. Just kidding.

The Skippers there (unrestricted) ie gravel start around 50k and the top guys there (Medevac) are around 95k.

The FO's (200 hrs) start at 23ish and top out at 45k

Hope that helps.
giligan

giligan wrote: The Skippers there (unrestricted) ie gravel start around 50k and the top guys there (Medevac) are around 95k.


giligan

Hey with that top being said, how much of a pucker facker do you get flying these birds off the northern 3500' strips?

Also this may seem like a really dumb question but doesn't the metro have balanced field length req?

Thanks

flyinhigh wrote:

toolow_flaps wrote:Sorry, but I can't hear you over what sounds like a leaf blower in the background!

67 traffic this is perimeter 69 500 miles north of winnipeg on r86 over head island lake, south bound to winnipeg in 2 hours...................All this drowned out by the noise of the POS....

and yes I know they don't operate 23's

Uhhh Perimeter 69, this is Perimeter 96, can you say your altitiude? We're 370.7 nautical miles east of Winnipeg out of 4000 for the flight levels, we're northbound, but will be southbound for winnipeg later tonight, just wanna make sure we're clear. Also, any other conflicting traffic or anyone else in Manitoba that likes to clog up a frequency with midless fucktard chatter, PLEASE ADVISE.

My understanding is:

The Metros over 12,500 MTOW (Metro 3 and 23) require balanced field length. The under 12.5 ones do not.

No pucker factor as there is a balanced feild requirement, the 2 is a little different but quite frankly, I prefer flying it because it is way more responsive and a little bit faster (remember they have dash 10's and 4 bladed props), they will make more torque (percentage wise) for a given temperature and keep it to a higher altitude amd they weigh 3500 lbs less.
gil

disco is right. No balanced field for Metro IIs, there is no way in hell you'd make that work off a 3500' gravel strip. As far as I know there are no approved gravel charts even for the III and 23 other than some Aussie ones someone dug up a few years ago, so even if you wanted to find out just how far into the trees you'd go if you lost one you couldn't. BTW those old bent up IIs are not as quick as a 23 and no comparison power wise either if you lose one in a 23 it'll climb (albeit slowly, and abviously within the chart limits) you don't need to accelerate to 150 and then try.

Gee thanks for the info U/S. I guess the last time I was passed by a 2 while I was driving that 23 I must have been dreaming. They do fly both the III and 23 out of the gravel, using the published charts.

By the way, there are NO gravel charts for King Airs, 1900'S, Navajo's Hawkers, 99's or any thing else that is routinely flown into the bush that is approved by Transport.

Not too sure about the 150 kts thing though, surely a man of your stature is familliar with V2. FYI V2 is equivalent to 1.2Vs. The Metro II has a V50 speed and if you look at the definitition of it it is yep, 1.2VS. That comes from the 13,200 lb. supplement. They do publish numbers for that aircraft but they are not approved either. Those numbers are for a Metro II with Dash 3 engines and 3 bladed props. The Dash 10 makes more torque for longer as I mentioned before but theAFM does not take credit for that increase so no new numbers.

The following is based on experience from flying all of the following types.

Below about 10,000 feet the II will have a higher TAS and KIAS in cruise, that is due mainly to the shorter wingspan (less profile drag).

The III will out perform the II in the climb most of the time especially above about 15000 feet.

The II handles crosswinds way better, because of the more effective aileron (no wing extensions)

The II can keep its speed for longer on approach (248 to 5 miles is not a problem as it will slow very fast (without climbing) in my experience the bigger wing and engines just don't slow down.

The Heavy III that I've flown Trues out around 260-270. The 14500 version seems to be a little quicker 275-280 but the Hybrid II's I've flown as stated above are routinely around 285 the highest I've seen is 295. I know you don't believe me but I was flying Sandy Lake to Winnipeg in the Winter in a plane that was just painted and had 2 new engines and 2 new props. I realize that is not the norm.

Admittedly, I don't have much time in the 23 but I was unimpressed. It has -12s and seems to hold the torque to a higher altitude. I would say that the 23 (-12) compared to a heavy III flies like a Metro II (-10) as compared to a (-3). It is a little quieter and like you say there are charts for them but, knowing what all of these aircraft will do, I'll take a green and white II any day.

There is a thread on here about a Metro that lost a fan in Shammattawa a few weeks ago. The oil pressure light went on at rotation as the engine started NTSing. they took it to 400' and feathered it, joined a downwind and landed. I believe according to you that is impossible. They were fully loaded at roughly 15 degrees off of 4000 feet.

I don't fly 'em anymore but it sure was a blast, once you've flown one you realize, although they're a little different, they're a great aircraft.

Alas, another thread hijacked. Sorry.
gil

Thanks for the responses everyone.

and hey, it might be a hijacked thread but it's very interesting hearing stories about the bird I'm going to be driving. So it there are any more Metro (especially the 23 ) stories/tips/warnings/pay structures out there keep'em coming!!

Deskgo

We can make all thoses calls without worries because there is nobody else out here! The only other planes in our province are either training or owned by the government. I'm quite surprised that you can here the 26.7 calls from the circuit at St. Andrews, you must have the squelch pulled!

200 hrs wrote:Deskgo

We can make all thoses calls without worries because there is nobody else out here! The only other planes in our province are either training or owned by the government. I'm quite surprised that you can here the 26.7 calls from the circuit at St. Andrews, you must have the squelch pulled!

Are you kidding me? On a normal day we can hear you in NW ontario. You must be honoured that your BRUTAL transcends provincial boundaries.

Actually, AR 7 passes over Ontario.

Hey Gil,
You seems to know what you're talking about. So for the takeoff there is balanced field requirements but what about the landing requirements?

giligan wrote:Actually, AR 7 passes over Ontario.

I'll be out this weekend repositioning AR 7's navaids away from my reception area. I swear to god I heard a Perimeter guy say at the end of his radio call last week that he was a Libra and that he liked long walks on the beach.

If you guys are that lonely, get a puppy or buy some attractive companionship. Just don't confuse the two.

Just push the squelch in!

200 hrs wrote:Just push the squelch in!

I DID...but my BRUTAL button must be stuck because I am still hearing you

desksgo wrote:

giligan wrote:Actually, AR 7 passes over Ontario.

If you guys are that lonely, get a puppy or buy some attractive companionship. Just don't confuse the two.

You know some people are into that so, don't be hatin. lolol

oh conflickting 26.7 and 22.8 and 21.5

Here here flyinhigh, I bought me a muckface shovel fighter because I was lonley and I am too ugly and far too old to get me a real wife. Not even the northern locals would look twice at me twice with pockets full of klik and silk tassel. I was so lonely once I decided to read the entire Charles Dikinson anthology on '67 when I departed Island lake. Apparently all that brought was pain an suffering to the rest of you in Nortwest Ontario. My apologies.

Actually, B02 or 1900d's do have gravel charts

Did SUnwest lose some guys on the 23? This seems like a pretty good place to get started if your looking for a job.