will there be a repeat of 1991-95 ?

[oldncold]

Parameters. Canadas population 1991 28 million now 40 million .

With all this new capacity e2 from porter lynx etc. Is the airline industry setting itself for an financial implosion / next if that happens by 2030. Could it take down a wj or ac if they buy the capacity. N equipment. Ie 1990 -91canadian buying wardair then ac buying canadian . the capital costs for aircraft are much higher these days. Does history repeat with 12 million new canadians vs 1991 population citizens ?

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Parameters. Canadas population 1991 28 million now 40 million .

With all this new capacity e2 from porter lynx etc. Is the airline industry setting itself for an financial implosion / next if that happens by 2030. Could it take down a wj or ac if they buy the capacity. N equipment. Ie 1990 -91canadian buying wardair then ac buying canadian . the capital costs for aircraft are much higher these days. Does history repeat with 12 million new canadians vs 1991 population citizens ?

No your on crack. Canadian fell because they bought Ward who was 700m in the hole.

[mmm...bacon]

In his inimitable style, I do think that he asks a valid question, though. Is there enough (travelling) population to support all of the airlines/seats on offer in the Canadian market? There are some that are forecasting a recession, also. Typically, leisure travel is the first to notice a reduction in consumer spending.

As always, time will tell.

[vanislepilot]

Guys omg….

Its crazy you think that our aviation industry is only comprised of Canadian customers flying in Canada
Really??? You are looking at a measly 12 million increase in population and think we are capooched?

Let me state a quick fact.

World population 1990~ 5,000,000,000
World population today~ 8,000,000,000

That’s another THREE BILLION people. Air travel has only become more accessible. More airports, more airplanes, cheaper airfares, vacation packages, point based travel, the goddamn internet! Remember when you used to have to go to travel agencies? You can buy a ticket to Burkina Faso in minutes from your kids ipad

Who do you think is flying on an Air Canada A220 from DFW to YYZ? A bunch of canadians coming back from a BBQ and astros game? Maybe some, but it’s mostly comprised of people connecting throughout the WORLD
Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

UAE has a population of under 10 million yet Emirates and Etihad have massive fleets comprised of only widebodies. I don’t even think there are inter UAE flights. With your logic, Emirates would have failed a long time ago.

World is a big place guys

[mmm...bacon]

Who do *you* think is flying red eyes from Edmonton to Kitchener? Or Victoria to Toronto, for that matter? I suspect it’s not high-yield customers commuting from ‘Exotic destination of your choice’ to another ‘EDOYC’. I get your bullishness on the aviation industry in general, but I have a concern about the amount of domestic capacity chasing shrinking Canadian wallets..

[JHR]

Those Canadian wallets are nearly empty. A new report shows only one in four Canadians can afford to buy a single family home.

[rookiepilot]

Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

Like no Business class pax would likely do that….Can fly to London direct….from almost anywhere.

Yeah, the only people flying from DFW to YYZ ARE after a BBQ — Can go anywhere direct from DFW.

Not to mention YYZ is a toilet….I live here, why would anyone connect here except to St Johns….

[vanislepilot]

Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

Like no Business class pax would likely do that….Can fly to London direct….from almost anywhere.

Yeah, the only people flying from DFW to YYZ ARE after a BBQ — Can go anywhere direct from DFW.

Not to mention YYZ is a toilet….I live here, why would anyone connect here except to St Johns….

LOL

[Bede]

Who do you think is flying on an Air Canada A220 from DFW to YYZ? A bunch of canadians coming back from a BBQ and astros game? Maybe some, but it’s mostly comprised of people connecting throughout the WORLD
Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

Hmm, I doubt that. Why would anyone departing from DFW, one of the world's largest hubs, connect through YYZ, a more expensive second rate hub, to fly somewhere in the WORLD, when they can fly non-stop from DFW to anywhere in the WORLD.

[Hangry]

Probably price. Doubt it all you want but it’s the reality. 6th freedom traffic is huge and the massive part of AC’s strategy.

[Tbayer2021]

Probably price. Doubt it all you want but it’s the reality. 6th freedom traffic is huge and the massive part of AC’s strategy.

Yeah I don't know what these guys are going on about. Plenty of business/first class travelers take connections even when direct is available. There's also the large number of travelers using reward miles/points that go much further with connections.

AC literally mentioned that a very significant part of their revenue comes from connecting US passengers.

[garfield]

With ever inceasing airport fees it's hard to believe canadian airlines will stay competitive for the `international connecting passengers`

[cdnavater]

With ever inceasing airport fees it's hard to believe canadian airlines will stay competitive for the `international connecting passengers`

I thought you only paid the AIFs if it’s your destination or departure airport charges, a connecting flight pays the fees at destination not the connection.
So if your departure is the US with much lower fees and your destination doesn’t matter because if that’s where you were going, obviously you’d pay those anyway, your connecting airport shouldn’t matter. At least, this was my understanding.
Either way, with the US currency and labour discount, funnelling Americans through YYZ has a cost advantage no matter how you look at it.

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

YYZ charges passengers a connecting flight AIF....as of Dec 2023 it is $7 plus taxes.

[cdnavater]

YYZ charges passengers a connecting flight AIF....as of Dec 2023 it is $7 plus taxes.

Of course, however it is not the full AIF of 35.00, this might drive AC to use the YUL hub more, keep that 7 dollars in their pocket.

[Inverted2]

YYZ charges passengers a connecting flight AIF....as of Dec 2023 it is $7 plus taxes.

Does that mean they will start repairing the escalators with all that $$$? I worked over Xmas and tons of them were broken. Such a disgrace of an airport….

[alkaseltzer]

YYZ charges passengers a connecting flight AIF....as of Dec 2023 it is $7 plus taxes.

Of course, however it is not the full AIF of 35.00, this might drive AC to use the YUL hub more, keep that 7 dollars in their pocket.

The GTAA CEO needs it for her hairstylist.

[CaptDukeNukem]

KMIA isn’t much better. I think we should all be in the escalator repair business. I bet they get Xmas off from day 1.

[garfield]

If my memory is good the AIF in KMIA is only 1$!!

[TheStig]

Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

Like no Business class pax would likely do that….Can fly to London direct….from almost anywhere.

Yeah, the only people flying from DFW to YYZ ARE after a BBQ — Can go anywhere direct from DFW.

Not to mention YYZ is a toilet….I live here, why would anyone connect here except to St Johns….

Yesterday's flight from SCL-YYZ arrived on time with well over 100 connections. Many to Germany, Spain, France, Switzerland, Japan, the US (including hub cities) and yes, LHR. Air Canada has lots of room for improvement but moves a million people each week all over the globe. Clearly not everyone shares your absolute distain for the airline and its employees.

[rookiepilot]

Tokyo, Mumbai, Rio, you name it, can have people connect through Canada. Do you really think the money is in flying from Regina to Calgary? No. It’s the business class passenger who flew from Santiago to London via YYZ

Like no Business class pax would likely do that….Can fly to London direct….from almost anywhere.

Yeah, the only people flying from DFW to YYZ ARE after a BBQ — Can go anywhere direct from DFW.

Not to mention YYZ is a toilet….I live here, why would anyone connect here except to St Johns….

Yesterday's flight from SCL-YYZ arrived on time with well over 100 connections. Many to Germany, Spain, France, Switzerland, Japan, the US (including hub cities) and yes, LHR. Air Canada has lots of room for improvement but moves a million people each week all over the globe. Clearly not everyone shares your absolute distain for the airline and its employees.

My comments were explicitly about YYZ, not AC. I live here. Think I’m entitled to comment on my home airport which is widely acknowledged to be substandard in many respects. Things are always broken, and the bathrooms are always dirty. Worse than most anywhere I’ve been. They don’t care.

https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-pears ... -1.6570062

I kinda doubt too many business class passengers would willingly spend 20 hours plus connecting in YYZ to Europe when they can do the trip in 12 or 13 direct. Doesn’t make a ton of sense. I could be wrong but time is valuable.

Economy or on points maybe another matter.

[vanislepilot]

Like no Business class pax would likely do that….Can fly to London direct….from almost anywhere.

Yeah, the only people flying from DFW to YYZ ARE after a BBQ — Can go anywhere direct from DFW.

Not to mention YYZ is a toilet….I live here, why would anyone connect here except to St Johns….

Yesterday's flight from SCL-YYZ arrived on time with well over 100 connections. Many to Germany, Spain, France, Switzerland, Japan, the US (including hub cities) and yes, LHR. Air Canada has lots of room for improvement but moves a million people each week all over the globe. Clearly not everyone shares your absolute distain for the airline and its employees.

My comments were explicitly about YYZ, not AC. I live here. Think I’m entitled to comment on my home airport which is widely acknowledged to be substandard in many respects. Things are always broken, and the bathrooms are always dirty. Worse than most anywhere I’ve been. They don’t care.

https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-pears ... -1.6570062

I kinda doubt too many business class passengers would willingly spend 20 hours plus connecting in YYZ to Europe when they can do the trip in 12 or 13 direct. Doesn’t make a ton of sense. I could be wrong but time is valuable.

Economy or on points maybe another matter.

Yes I agree YYZ sucks… for the common folk like me lol. But I don’t think business class pax care if the bathrooms are dirty, because they are in the lounges, eating and drinking. I think people need to understand that economy pax are weight and balance and business pax is where the money is made.

Also hot take, almost every american airport i’ve been too is a dump, IAD is probably on the nicer side. I find YYZ nicer than a lot of the spots down there.