Can you pay your way to air canada

[yolosimp]

Out of curiosity, suppose after finishing your CPL and you or your parents are very rich, can you just rent a plane and fly around to build enough hours until you're competitive for air canada. Would this be looked down upon?

[porcsord]

Out of curiosity, suppose after finishing your CPL and you or your parents are very rich, can you just rent a plane and fly around to build enough hours until you're competitive for air canada. Would this be looked down upon?

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

[TurkeyFarmYQX]

Maybe if Mommy and Daddy paid to set up your own 703 operation first

[TheAlcalde]

There’s been college grads being hired to jazz after graduating. And then renting a plane to get the required PIC for an ATPL.

So…to a degree I suppose

[AirCandida]

If your daddy is an upper level manager, and you have a degree, just go to Jazz, and soon as you have ATPL you'll be at AC, this has been done before.

[balkanskies]

Out of curiosity, suppose after finishing your CPL and you or your parents are very rich, can you just rent a plane and fly around to build enough hours until you're competitive for air canada. Would this be looked down upon?

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

[RNAV30]

Out of curiosity, suppose after finishing your CPL and you or your parents are very rich, can you just rent a plane and fly around to build enough hours until you're competitive for air canada. Would this be looked down upon?

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

The hours is just a portion of the experience required. Having experience with Turbine, Two Crew Experience, Working with Flight Attendants, Commercial Operations, Dispatch systems , Winter Operations, High Density Airspace ect. is also a huge requirement.

Not saying you need check all of those boxes, but definitely some, if not most. Flying around on golf trips or to get a burger with the friends is way different than shooting a CAT2/3 approach into YYZ during winter ops.

[balkanskies]

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

The hours is just a portion of the experience required. Having experience with Turbine, Two Crew Experience, Working with Flight Attendants, Commercial Operations, Dispatch systems , Winter Operations, High Density Airspace ect. is also a huge requirement.

Not saying you need check all of those boxes, but definitely some, if not most. Flying around on golf trips or to get a burger with the friends is way different than shooting a CAT2/3 approach into YYZ during winter ops.

Thanks, I appreciate the detailed response.

Would what you stated above also apply to Jazz as well for instance? I know they state 500 hrs TT as a minimum requirement along with the necessary ratings/ exams, but I also suspect they are probably looking for some of the above-noted experience as well. How does a freshly licenced pilot who did not go the instructor route realistically obtain that?

[digits_]

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

The hours is just a portion of the experience required. Having experience with Turbine, Two Crew Experience, Working with Flight Attendants, Commercial Operations, Dispatch systems , Winter Operations, High Density Airspace ect. is also a huge requirement.

Not saying you need check all of those boxes, but definitely some, if not most. Flying around on golf trips or to get a burger with the friends is way different than shooting a CAT2/3 approach into YYZ during winter ops.

Thanks, I appreciate the detailed response.

Would what you stated above also apply to Jazz as well for instance? I know they state 500 hrs TT as a minimum requirement along with the necessary ratings/ exams, but I also suspect they are probably looking for some of the above-noted experience as well. How does a freshly licenced pilot who did not go the instructor route realistically obtain that?

Survey flying, dropping skydivers, small 703 ops as pic, bigger 703 ops as FO

[cdnavater]

Out of curiosity, suppose after finishing your CPL and you or your parents are very rich, can you just rent a plane and fly around to build enough hours until you're competitive for air canada. Would this be looked down upon?

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

AC is the question and they would be looking for operational experience as well as personal growth. I also doubt they would hire anyone without two crew experience either. Other companies may consider them but building time in your own aircraft is not relevant experience, you don’t have to go if you don’t want to.
The interview is based on tell us a time when you had a conflict in the flight deck and how did you deal with it type questions, hard to answer those without something to go on.
I once hired a guy who had his own twin, said he had 3000 hours, after a few hours of trying to teach a guy who’s instrument rating had expired, I sent him to renew it at a proper flying school. He was still a nightmare to train even after that, there is zero chance he had 3000 hours, I suspect his logbook was pencil whipped and he maybe had 500 hours and none of it was IFR, absolute nightmare. Every FO complained and eventually he was turfed.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’m surprised anyone even responded to a new user/first question post of this nature. Keep feeding the pigeons everyone.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yes, you could get the theoretical requirements for AC by doing this.

No, you would not be hired.

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

AC is the question and they would be looking for operational experience as well as personal growth. I also doubt they would hire anyone without two crew experience either. Other companies may consider them but building time in your own aircraft is not relevant experience, you don’t have to go if you don’t want to.
The interview is based on tell us a time when you had a conflict in the flight deck and how did you deal with it type questions, hard to answer those without something to go on.
I once hired a guy who had his own twin, said he had 3000 hours, after a few hours of trying to teach a guy who’s instrument rating had expired, I sent him to renew it at a proper flying school. He was still a nightmare to train even after that, there is zero chance he had 3000 hours, I suspect his logbook was pencil whipped and he maybe had 500 hours and none of it was IFR, absolute nightmare. Every FO complained and eventually he was turfed.

Just because I’m close to my level 9 avcanada ranking (lol), I’ll bite on this one. Also, had a weird day today, so I’ll throw some bread to the pigeons, but arguably, just for my entertainment.

If I was in any hiring department and I came across a resume that met stated requirements for the arguably highest requirement airline in Canada and was clearly obviously that said candidate had nothing but “build-up” time, id immediately discount about 88.5 percent of their TT as inconsequential or even non-existent.

Money can’t get you into AC. But it probably can in Formula 1. If your parents are this rich, Drive a race car, not an airplane. Message lance stroll on how to do this. Or as mentioned above, start up your own 703 with your Piper Cheyenne.

[balkanskies]

Why wouldn't someone be hired if they built hours renting a plane or flying their own? Genuinely curious

AC is the question and they would be looking for operational experience as well as personal growth. I also doubt they would hire anyone without two crew experience either. Other companies may consider them but building time in your own aircraft is not relevant experience, you don’t have to go if you don’t want to.
The interview is based on tell us a time when you had a conflict in the flight deck and how did you deal with it type questions, hard to answer those without something to go on.
I once hired a guy who had his own twin, said he had 3000 hours, after a few hours of trying to teach a guy who’s instrument rating had expired, I sent him to renew it at a proper flying school. He was still a nightmare to train even after that, there is zero chance he had 3000 hours, I suspect his logbook was pencil whipped and he maybe had 500 hours and none of it was IFR, absolute nightmare. Every FO complained and eventually he was turfed.

Just because I’m close to my level 9 avcanada ranking (lol), I’ll bite on this one. Also, had a weird day today, so I’ll throw some bread to the pigeons, but arguably, just for my entertainment.

If I was in any hiring department and I came across a resume that met stated requirements for the arguably highest requirement airline in Canada and was clearly obviously that said candidate had nothing but “build-up” time, id immediately discount about 88.5 percent of their TT as inconsequential or even non-existent.

Money can’t get you into AC. But it probably can in Formula 1. If your parents are this rich, Drive a race car, not an airplane. Message lance stroll on how to do this. Or as mentioned above, start up your own 703 with your Piper Cheyenne.

Be that as it may, I do appreciate the bread crumbs lol. I know these types of questions are typically not received very well, especially when coming from newbies/ new members like myself, but I do appreciate the candid responses from people like yourself and the others who have responded.

Sadly, I am too old for F1 and my parents are not rich. I do, however, work hard at my job and would be willing to spend my own savings renting an aircraft for additional experience if doing so provided any benefit in securing a better pilot job in the future...which it seems like it may not.

[youhavecontrol]

Take the traditional route of finishing your CPL, and Group 1 IFR, then either instruct for a bit or work for a smaller 703 operation and I guarantee you'll secure a decent pilot job after a year or so. You honestly can't buy the experiences that you get from actually working in the industry. As others have said, dealing with decision making, colleagues, maintenance issues and other operational pressures only come from being in the industry. If you are flying privately by yourself, you're not truly experiencing any of that, and as such, you're not really learning or being challenged the way you should be.

[flyinhigh]

There is way more to flying than just flying. It’s about character, which only grows by experience.

When interviewing, the hours are only part of the equation. I can teach a monkey to fly, but I cannot teach personality or how to have good character, nor do I want to waste time doing so.

Flying the plane is the easy part, what about all that background stuff that the public doesn’t see. The stuff that requires the tough decisions..

There is one individual that I am happy to call a friend that did what is being proposed. He owned a small twin and flew it for 1500hrs, than got on at Encore. Difference is, this individual was not in his 20’s, was a member of the BAR in two provinces, and obviously a very well rounded individual. Encore knew that he would put his head down, study hard and do a great job. Because of his background and experiences he turned out to be a good pilot, with the ability to make strong, sound decisions.

That said, would AC hire him. Nope and they didn’t.

[nutlord]

If you want to pay your way, why not do Jazz Approach or another cadet program?

[Nick678]

If your daddy is an upper level manager, and you have a degree, just go to Jazz, and soon as you have ATPL you'll be at AC, this has been done before.

This is not correct, it’s a broken flow agreement. It’s more like 4-5 years from Jazz. Just go to a ATR or 1900 operation out of college.

[mucktuk]

This thread is very similar to another I replied to recently. It appears as though yolosimp (who created an account to ask this question and hasn’t logged in since), balkanskies (who created an account shortly after) and travelisfun, may be the same troll.

Maybe it’s a strange coincidence though, so here’s my advice in case.

Most things in life are best earned than paid for. ANY commercial flying job should be earned, for the sake of your passengers, crew members, and yourself. Trying to “throw money at it” or fudge a logbook type stuff and jump the queue to get somewhere sooner than you should, isn’t smart in aviation. You need a lot of skills that can’t be learned from a book or classroom or flying a Cherokee to get a $100 burger on Cavok weekends. Use the CPL for what it is. Go build your tool box at a 703/704 for 3 or 4 years. Make good decisions, make bad decisions, make some awesome friends, and learn from them all. Someday when you’re an airline captain and things start to fall apart (and when it starts to fall apart man, it really falls apart), you’ll be at your best to deal with it, and won’t be second guessing yourself.

AC or any airline, expects that you know how to fly when you try for an Interview, that’s the easy part. They are interviewing someone that they can trust to take their $200 million dollar asset with 300-400 people and cargo from point A to point B over and over again for a 20-30 years career and hopefully not end up making world news.

There will usually be a panel of interviewers made up of of pilots and hr. They will each ask you questions, and take notes as you’re speaking.

Tell me a time when you…,
How would you deal with….
Which CRM technique would you use…
How do you mitigate…

Etc..
Etc..

All of the questions will expect answers related to actual commercial ops.

[jsmorrow]

Aside from the lack of experience standpoint of working with other crew members or flying turbine aircraft, renting a Cessna is not the feasible option to go. This is why most pilots do the CFI, banner towing, or crop dusting route so that they get paid to fly while building hours. Another alternative to renting is aircraft ownership, but depending on the airplane, that can be expensive too.