Example Schedule (again)

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Example Schedule (again)

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Hello,

I just posted this same question on the Jazz forum. I think Porter would be very interesting to see also.
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Hello,

Just wondering if any Porter pilots on here could post their schedule (or old schedule) as an example for us to see?

There is a lot reference to schedules, pairings, days off etc. Curious to see how that looks on an actual schedule.

Hopefully that's not a rude question or anything.

Thanks very much
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This is a very loaded question.

Junior, Senior, Reserve, Line holder, stat day offs, vacation, etc.

My worst month was 18 days flying, February has 9 days flying and recurrent sim.
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I’m a relatively new DEC and my schedule isn’t great. Always working right up to the 12 GDO’s.
The pairings seem inefficient to me but I don’t blame that on Porter as I believe that is a byproduct of this stage of their growth.
Layovers aren’t great and a good chunk of the hotels ar3 pretty shitty. I’m not a fussy person and have no problem staying in motels when travelling on my own dime but even I find the hotel selection way below standard for what should be acceptable for airline crews. The amount of crews you run into complaining/saying they’re fatigued because of nights at subpar accommodations is mind blowing.
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I'm a junior captain. So far I'm working every day except my GDOs. The qol is garbage right now and it's making me question if upgrading at Porter was the right choice.

I swear I'm generally a pretty positive guy, but seeing how good it was at Porter just one year ago compared to now makes me upset. I'm hoping it's just growing pains and temporary, but at the moment there is no end in sight.
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I could show my schedule but what’s the point everyday is going change as they scramble to try and staff their flights. Just plan for 12gdo and getting drafting into loosing a couple every once and awhile. Currently they just offer low credit pairings to get everyone to work with minimum gdos then pairing mod you to cover all the un staffed flights so most captains are in the 90-120 credits per months.
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I work 15 days a month, but I’m on the E2. Not sure if the previous posters are on the dash operation. Pairings seems to be more efficient on the jet for sure. There are some decent layovers but the majority are 15 hours or less.
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BaldChewbacca wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:47 pm I'm a junior captain. So far I'm working every day except my GDOs. The qol is garbage right now and it's making me question if upgrading at Porter was the right choice.

I swear I'm generally a pretty positive guy, but seeing how good it was at Porter just one year ago compared to now makes me upset. I'm hoping it's just growing pains and temporary, but at the moment there is no end in sight.
Is this on the Dash? Or E2? What made it so different compared to last year, if on the Dash? And if on the E2, how long did it take you to upgrade ? Have you been there a while?

Thank you!
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propstojets wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:56 pm
Is this on the Dash? Or E2? What made it so different compared to last year, if on the Dash? And if on the E2, how long did it take you to upgrade ? Have you been there a while?

Thank you!
Dash for me. We just got so short on Dash Captains. Previous leadership sent a lot of pilots from the Dash to E2 (as seniority dictated) but the pipeline of upgrades hasnt really materialized as FOs are leaving for AC and seeing how much of a dumpster fire the Dash CA schedules are turns them off that idea. Many I fly with are planning to wait out their 2 year fleet lock and go to the E2
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Regarding the original post about schedules at Porter…. If you only care about trying to book a bunch of days off in a row followed by a bunch of work days as much as you can (like a commuter would), how feasible is that (provided you don’t care what exact days you have off and on) at a junior level on the E2 (think new hire)?

Also, I assume the days off are protected and cannot be changed once the schedule is published, such as they can’t just swap one of your days off into a work day, right?
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propstojets wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:56 am Regarding the original post about schedules at Porter…. If you only care about trying to book a bunch of days off in a row followed by a bunch of work days as much as you can (like a commuter would), how feasible is that (provided you don’t care what exact days you have off and on) at a junior level on the E2 (think new hire)?
That should be pretty reasonable. We have a number of commuters so it's pretty common.
propstojets wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:56 am Also, I assume the days off are protected and cannot be changed once the schedule is published, such as they can’t just swap one of your days off into a work day, right?
Yes. But for some unknown reason this isn't the case in training. While you're in training your GDOs aren't really GDOs. They can be moved. I guess Porter thinks people don't have families or other responsibilities while in training??

Once your line check is done your GDOs become actual GDOs.

I really like Porter but that one pisses me off. Thankfully it never happened to me while I was in training but I would have raised hell if it had happened. I'm not sure how common it is.
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That’s why it’s nice to have a contract. Your days off are your days off.
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Chaxterium wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:34 am
propstojets wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:56 am Regarding the original post about schedules at Porter…. If you only care about trying to book a bunch of days off in a row followed by a bunch of work days as much as you can (like a commuter would), how feasible is that (provided you don’t care what exact days you have off and on) at a junior level on the E2 (think new hire)?
That should be pretty reasonable. We have a number of commuters so it's pretty common.
propstojets wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:56 am Also, I assume the days off are protected and cannot be changed once the schedule is published, such as they can’t just swap one of your days off into a work day, right?
Yes. But for some unknown reason this isn't the case in training. While you're in training your GDOs aren't really GDOs. They can be moved. I guess Porter thinks people don't have families or other responsibilities while in training??

Once your line check is done your GDOs become actual GDOs.

I really like Porter but that one pisses me off. Thankfully it never happened to me while I was in training but I would have raised hell if it had happened. I'm not sure how common it is.
Happened to me a couple times, emails for changes with not much notice including a 7pm email for a report time the next morning for a 4 day indoc pairing when I was supposed to be off for multiple days. The training schedulers can and will do whatever they want with your schedule, including last minute changes with little notice and either don’t know or don’t care about any of the FOAG schedule rules like minimum days off.
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:33 am That’s why it’s nice to have a contract. Your days off are your days off.

Hi nail, meet head. Absolutely nailed in this short statement.
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propstojets wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:56 pm
BaldChewbacca wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:47 pm I'm a junior captain. So far I'm working every day except my GDOs. The qol is garbage right now and it's making me question if upgrading at Porter was the right choice.

I swear I'm generally a pretty positive guy, but seeing how good it was at Porter just one year ago compared to now makes me upset. I'm hoping it's just growing pains and temporary, but at the moment there is no end in sight.
Is this on the Dash? Or E2? What made it so different compared to last year, if on the Dash? And if on the E2, how long did it take you to upgrade ? Have you been there a while?

Thank you!
I'm on the Dash. There's been a large amount of captains leaving, creating a snowball effect. QOL drops, so people leave, people leave, so QOL drops. As a group we've asked for improvements to the situation, but were met with half-assed and frankly insulting solutions.

I joined Porter because of the amazing QOL. Now I'm considering leaving because of the QOL
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BaldChewbacca wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:41 pm
propstojets wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:56 pm
BaldChewbacca wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:47 pm I'm a junior captain. So far I'm working every day except my GDOs. The qol is garbage right now and it's making me question if upgrading at Porter was the right choice.

I swear I'm generally a pretty positive guy, but seeing how good it was at Porter just one year ago compared to now makes me upset. I'm hoping it's just growing pains and temporary, but at the moment there is no end in sight.
Is this on the Dash? Or E2? What made it so different compared to last year, if on the Dash? And if on the E2, how long did it take you to upgrade ? Have you been there a while?

Thank you!
I'm on the Dash. There's been a large amount of captains leaving, creating a snowball effect. QOL drops, so people leave, people leave, so QOL drops. As a group we've asked for improvements to the situation, but were met with half-assed and frankly insulting solutions.

I joined Porter because of the amazing QOL. Now I'm considering leaving because of the QOL
Thanks for your reply. If you don’t mind me asking, where do the dash captains seem to be leaving to?
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propstojets wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:54 pm
BaldChewbacca wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:41 pm
propstojets wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:56 pm

Is this on the Dash? Or E2? What made it so different compared to last year, if on the Dash? And if on the E2, how long did it take you to upgrade ? Have you been there a while?

Thank you!
I'm on the Dash. There's been a large amount of captains leaving, creating a snowball effect. QOL drops, so people leave, people leave, so QOL drops. As a group we've asked for improvements to the situation, but were met with half-assed and frankly insulting solutions.

I joined Porter because of the amazing QOL. Now I'm considering leaving because of the QOL
Thanks for your reply. If you don’t mind me asking, where do the dash captains seem to be leaving to?
Literally anywhere which is the crazy part. People go to AC which is expected, but recently captains have been taking what would be considered back steps because the offers are significantly better. We've had multiple pilots leave for Wasaya because the pay and schedule are significantly better; Thunder Airlines too. Even the YQT base captain took a back step to somewhere in BC (Pacific Coastal I believe). The crazy thing is he doesn't even live in BC. He commutes from near Thunder Bay. So he left Porter and commutes across the country now because this place just doesn't make sense.

I can't say I blame any of them. Taking a "back step" is providing a better pay and better QOL, so why not
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BaldChewbacca wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:47 am
propstojets wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:54 pm
BaldChewbacca wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:41 pm

I'm on the Dash. There's been a large amount of captains leaving, creating a snowball effect. QOL drops, so people leave, people leave, so QOL drops. As a group we've asked for improvements to the situation, but were met with half-assed and frankly insulting solutions.

I joined Porter because of the amazing QOL. Now I'm considering leaving because of the QOL
Thanks for your reply. If you don’t mind me asking, where do the dash captains seem to be leaving to?
Literally anywhere which is the crazy part. People go to AC which is expected, but recently captains have been taking what would be considered back steps because the offers are significantly better. We've had multiple pilots leave for Wasaya because the pay and schedule are significantly better; Thunder Airlines too. Even the YQT base captain took a back step to somewhere in BC (Pacific Coastal I believe). The crazy thing is he doesn't even live in BC. He commutes from near Thunder Bay. So he left Porter and commutes across the country now because this place just doesn't make sense.

I can't say I blame any of them. Taking a "back step" is providing a better pay and better QOL, so why not
He didn’t live near Thunder Bay lol. That’s why he took a commuter position at another company, better commuting schedule. But yes being a dash captain is not a coveted position these days lol
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BaldChewbacca wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:47 am
propstojets wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:54 pm
BaldChewbacca wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:41 pm

I'm on the Dash. There's been a large amount of captains leaving, creating a snowball effect. QOL drops, so people leave, people leave, so QOL drops. As a group we've asked for improvements to the situation, but were met with half-assed and frankly insulting solutions.

I joined Porter because of the amazing QOL. Now I'm considering leaving because of the QOL
Thanks for your reply. If you don’t mind me asking, where do the dash captains seem to be leaving to?
Literally anywhere which is the crazy part. People go to AC which is expected, but recently captains have been taking what would be considered back steps because the offers are significantly better. We've had multiple pilots leave for Wasaya because the pay and schedule are significantly better; Thunder Airlines too. Even the YQT base captain took a back step to somewhere in BC (Pacific Coastal I believe). The crazy thing is he doesn't even live in BC. He commutes from near Thunder Bay. So he left Porter and commutes across the country now because this place just doesn't make sense.

I can't say I blame any of them. Taking a "back step" is providing a better pay and better QOL, so why not
Now this is absolute gossip which is untrue 95%.

Pasco pays SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Porter, be it FO to FO or CAPT to CAPT comparison. On top of it to commute for it, fat chance.
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To clarify he did not go to Pasco
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carnie wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:49 pm To clarify he did not go to Pasco
Where did he go?
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dogfood wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:38 am I could show my schedule but what’s the point everyday is going change as they scramble to try and staff their flights. Just plan for 12gdo and getting drafting into loosing a couple every once and awhile. Currently they just offer low credit pairings to get everyone to work with minimum gdos then pairing mod you to cover all the un staffed flights so most captains are in the 90-120 credits per months.
Is this still the case?
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…the mix of pairings seems to be getting a little better..and with that there was a reduction in flying due to aircraft availability so, except on nice wx weekends, there is less of the previous chaos. Blocks are coming in at +-85.
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dontcallmeshirley wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:50 am
dogfood wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:38 am I could show my schedule but what’s the point everyday is going change as they scramble to try and staff their flights. Just plan for 12gdo and getting drafting into loosing a couple every once and awhile. Currently they just offer low credit pairings to get everyone to work with minimum gdos then pairing mod you to cover all the un staffed flights so most captains are in the 90-120 credits per months.
Is this still the case?
I'd agree that it appears the blocks have come down a bit but the chaos and reassignments to cover flying is out of control. The Reassignment rules are way to loose so everything just becomes "Operational Requirement" and next thing you know all your plans get put on the backburner unless you want to use your sick time to avoid the changes.
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:o
braaap Braap wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:29 pm
dontcallmeshirley wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:50 am
dogfood wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:38 am I could show my schedule but what’s the point everyday is going change as they scramble to try and staff their flights. Just plan for 12gdo and getting drafting into loosing a couple every once and awhile. Currently they just offer low credit pairings to get everyone to work with minimum gdos then pairing mod you to cover all the un staffed flights so most captains are in the 90-120 credits per months.
Is this still the case?
I'd agree that it appears the blocks have come down a bit but the chaos and reassignments to cover flying is out of control. The Reassignment rules are way to loose so everything just becomes "Operational Requirement" and next thing you know all your plans get put on the backburner unless you want to use your sick time to avoid the changes.
You plan things on pairings? That’s the mistake right there…

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I think that meant to imply that a pairing that's supposed to end at 3pm means the pilot can pick their kid up from school, have friends over for a BBQ, etc. But screwsked calls and JK, LOL, now you're extended to 10pm.
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