LOOKING FOR COMPANY TO GET PIC TIME FOR ATPL

[peterdill]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[Happyflyer78]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

[porcsord]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I don't think you're going to have much luck in that department. Remember that companies are there to make money, not to advance your career and I don't know of any that would invest the time and money to train someone for a part time position where they will he gone the second they upgrade at their airline. Plus the whole duty time thing. I'd just look for an airplane you can get block time in, and bang it off.

Does your company not have a picus program? Presumably you had to have had 250 hours for your IATRA to be valid, and I'm going to assume that at least 150 of that is pic... so PICUS would cover the rest.

[Bede]

Maybe fly jumpers on the weekends?

As other posters have stated, your options may be fairly limited.

I've seen this scenario play out time and time again- new pilot gets on shiny plane with 250 hrs and then watches everyone else upgrade above him because no ATPL.

[Me262]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I don't think you're going to have much luck in that department. Remember that companies are there to make money, not to advance your career and I don't know of any that would invest the time and money to train someone for a part time position where they will he gone the second they upgrade at their airline. Plus the whole duty time thing. I'd just look for an airplane you can get block time in, and bang it off.

Does your company not have a picus program? Presumably you had to have had 250 hours for your IATRA to be valid, and I'm going to assume that at least 150 of that is pic... so PICUS would cover the rest.

Or worst case he could have as low as 30 PIC from a CPL(H) conversion. Pretty sure you can't use RW PIC for the 250 PIC ATPL(A) req. 220hrs block time can cost as much as 40k

[porcsord]

Or worst case he could have as low as 30 PIC from a CPL(H) conversion. Pretty sure you can't use RW PIC for the 250 PIC ATPL(A) req. 220hrs block time can cost as much as 40k

And in that case, I'd like to think that was thought of before they want to captain a large airplane. It really shows of poor planning if someone can't do a little research before deciding to be a pilot. You should be able to finish a CPL/multi IFR in 250hrs with: 25 night PIC xc, a float rating, 150hrs of PIC, some aerobatics training etc etc. People who just blindly jump in without any forethought scare me. But what do I know.

[Me262]

Or worst case he could have as low as 30 PIC from a CPL(H) conversion. Pretty sure you can't use RW PIC for the 250 PIC ATPL(A) req. 220hrs block time can cost as much as 40k

And in that case, I'd like to think that was thought of before they want to captain a large airplane. It really shows of poor planning if someone can't do a little research before deciding to be a pilot. You should be able to finish a CPL/multi IFR in 250hrs with: 25 night PIC xc, a float rating, 150hrs of PIC, some aerobatics training etc etc. People who just blindly jump in without any forethought scare me. But what do I know.

For the vast majority hindsight is 20-20. I'm sure even you have plenty of decisions you made that you would now do differently knowing what you know right now.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

How did you NOT get hired at a 705 with an ATPL.

Why don’t you post your resume on here so that everyone of us can make sure that every airline in Canada will see your 6000 hrs of TT mostly king air PIC. Make sure to include the name, address and email. Phone number optional. I’m sure someone on this thread or forum can try to get you job as a rampie somewhere

[ruffdeezy]

is your company not doing PICUS?

[Me262]

is your company not doing PICUS?

Even if his company does, most won't unless he reached 150hrs already and is eligible for ATPL after finishing PICUS

[CaptDukeNukem]

Dollar a jumper would be the way to go here. Work weekends at sky dive center. Call up Steinback and/or Gimli jump centers and make an inquiry. Or go rent a 152 and go ywg-yqt-ywg burger trip with your buddy as many times as you need.

[peterdill]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

[peterdill]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I don't think you're going to have much luck in that department. Remember that companies are there to make money, not to advance your career and I don't know of any that would invest the time and money to train someone for a part time position where they will he gone the second they upgrade at their airline. Plus the whole duty time thing. I'd just look for an airplane you can get block time in, and bang it off.

Does your company not have a picus program? Presumably you had to have had 250 hours for your IATRA to be valid, and I'm going to assume that at least 150 of that is pic... so PICUS would cover the rest.

Thanks for your response. To rent a plane and get block time is a solid option.

My company do have PICUS program, unfortunately I am not eligible for PICUS yet I just have 100h PIC time.

[peterdill]

Maybe fly jumpers on the weekends?

As other posters have stated, your options may be fairly limited.

I've seen this scenario play out time and time again- new pilot gets on shiny plane with 250 hrs and then watches everyone else upgrade above him because no ATPL.

Thanks for your response. "
Fly jumpers is maybe the best option for now.

[peterdill]

Dollar a jumper would be the way to go here. Work weekends at sky dive center. Call up Steinback and/or Gimli jump centers and make an inquiry. Or go rent a 152 and go ywg-yqt-ywg burger trip with your buddy as many times as you need.

Roger, thank you for responding.

[goldeneagle]

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

Does your license say 'Airline Transport Pilot' on it, or does it say 'Commercial Pilot' ?

[TeePeeCreeper]

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

Does your license say 'Airline Transport Pilot' on it, or does it say 'Commercial Pilot' ?

You left a bit of gray back there…

Assuming a CPL holder also has a valid IATRA then yes the candidate could potentially crew a 705 position.

TPC

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yea. There’s some with CPL flying the E2 at porter.

[goldeneagle]

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

Does your license say 'Airline Transport Pilot' on it, or does it say 'Commercial Pilot' ?

You left a bit of gray back there…

Assuming a CPL holder also has a valid IATRA then yes the candidate could potentially crew a 705 position.

TPC

Yes, they can crew the aircraft, but, that doesn't mean they have an ATPL, the poster I quoted suggests in the first sentence they dont have an ATPL, then second sentence say they have ATPL frozen.

I know it may be different in other parts of the world, but in Canada, either you have an ATPL or you dont. There is no grey area, a CPL with IATRA is NOT an ATPL.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Hello,

I am an 705 FO based in YWG looking for a company around winnipeg to log my PIC time for my ATPL (on a partial time).
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

What is a "frozen ATPL?" I don't believe there is such a thing in Canada. You either have one, or you don't.

[twa22]

For the sake of argument, and semantics... if one writes their SARON and SAMRA before they meet the ATPL hour requirements, isn't that technically a frozen ATPL? You have your exams written, you now just need to "activate", or "validate" those exams. That's essentially what goes on in places like Europe... you write your ATPL exams before you meet the hour requirements and now you're considered a "frozen" ATPL

[digits_]

Does your license say 'Airline Transport Pilot' on it, or does it say 'Commercial Pilot' ?

You left a bit of gray back there…

Assuming a CPL holder also has a valid IATRA then yes the candidate could potentially crew a 705 position.

TPC

Yes, they can crew the aircraft, but, that doesn't mean they have an ATPL, the poster I quoted suggests in the first sentence they dont have an ATPL, then second sentence say they have ATPL frozen.

I know it may be different in other parts of the world, but in Canada, either you have an ATPL or you dont. There is no grey area, a CPL with IATRA is NOT an ATPL.

It's exactly the same in other parts of the world. A frozen ATPL is used to refer to a CPL with the ATPL exames written (and possibly a multi crew course etc where required). It isn't an official definition anywhere as far as I know.

The OP was very clear in specifying that he isn't holding an ATPL. It's the whole point of his question.

[peterdill]

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

What is a "frozen ATPL?" I don't believe there is such a thing in Canada. You either have one, or you don't.

Or Integrated ATPL if you like. If you go for an integrated program, you can write the ATPL exams as part of the initial course. You have 5 years to get 1500h and then you'll get the "full" or "real" ATPL.
If not integrated program, you can write the ATPL exams as soon as you get 750h (if I am not wrong).

[172DDriver]

How did you get hired at a 705 without an ATPL? With my thousands of hours of king air PIC I’m still waiting for offer at a 705.

You can get a 705 FO position without an ATPL. I just have an ATPL Frozen.

What is a "frozen ATPL?" I don't believe there is such a thing in Canada. You either have one, or you don't.

Gets to write his exams with something like 200 hours and they stay "frozen" or don't expire for a few extra years. Something to do with the college schools such as Seneca.

[Nick678]

I know people who fly left seat 705 and they penciled in the PIC requirement for the ATPL. 5 hours in a rental got stretched to 50.

I asked TC and you “self certify” your hours. They didn’t care. Lost a lot of respect for TC that day.