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B747 Rating ?

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Just for something to do I'd like to get a B747 rating on my licence, so recognized by Transport Canada. Any suggestions on where you can do this and how much it would cost ?
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Did you try FlightSafety? $20,000.
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Ok Bruce.
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Nauclerus wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:58 am Just for something to do I'd like to get a B747 rating on my licence, so recognized by Transport Canada. Any suggestions on where you can do this and how much it would cost ?
Why?
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm
Nauclerus wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:58 am Just for something to do I'd like to get a B747 rating on my licence, so recognized by Transport Canada. Any suggestions on where you can do this and how much it would cost ?
Why?
Why not? If someone has the time and money, power to them!
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You’d be better off spending $20000 on your own flight sim setup in your mansion.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:21 pm You’d be better off spending $20000 on your own flight sim setup in your mansion.

I guess that's what you'd rather spend it on, but clearly not this person. Similar to how some would rather spend 100K building an incredible flyable RC replica than get a PPL or CPL. Or hell, buy their own actual airplane.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm Why?
Retired now but during my career flew the B727, B737, B757, B767, B787, just need the B747 and B777 on my licence to complete the set .... and get the free sub. Figure I could renew my instrument rating while I'm at it. How much is dual on a light twin these days ? I'm guessing not much less ?

Now if I could find a B707 (Travolta?) and B717 sim. ? How many people have B707, B717, B727, B737, B747, B757, B767, B777, B787 on their licence ? Or I could spend the $100G on therapy and get a normal hobby.
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Nauclerus wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:48 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm Why?
Retired now but during my career flew the B727, B737, B757, B767, B787, just need the B747 and B777 on my licence to complete the set .... and get the free sub. Figure I could renew my instrument rating while I'm at it. How much is dual on a light twin these days ? I'm guessing not much less ?

Now if I could find a B707 (Travolta?) and B717 sim. ? How many people have B707, B717, B727, B737, B747, B757, B767, B777, B787 on their licence ? Or I could spend the $100G on therapy and get a normal hobby.
I think this the absolute best reason to do this :mrgreen:

Go for it!
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Nauclerus wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:48 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm Why?
Retired now but during my career flew the B727, B737, B757, B767, B787, just need the B747 and B777 on my licence to complete the set .... and get the free sub. Figure I could renew my instrument rating while I'm at it. How much is dual on a light twin these days ? I'm guessing not much less ?

Now if I could find a B707 (Travolta?) and B717 sim. ? How many people have B707, B717, B727, B737, B747, B757, B767, B777, B787 on their licence ? Or I could spend the $100G on therapy and get a normal hobby.
Amazing. Great airplane line up. Wish I flew some of those.

If you’re gonna go at it, why don’t you get the A-series going too.

There for sure a couple A310 sims kicking around. 100(G) or k can probably buy you few of those.

I bet your basement is lined with airplane cockpit trainer posters.
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Get your type rating on all of them. That’s not the issue. The issue is you’re looking to get it stamped in your blue booklet. The 747 has no value in Canada.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:22 pm The issue is you’re looking to get it stamped in your blue booklet. The 747 has no value in Canada.
That's a question, would Transport even issue the rating given the foreign training, and the fact the type is not operated here ?

Looks like Bob Briggs beat me to it anyway, that will be tough to beat. https://imgur.com/TwFSuJF
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Nauclerus wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:55 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:22 pm The issue is you’re looking to get it stamped in your blue booklet. The 747 has no value in Canada.
That's a question, would Transport even issue the rating given the foreign training, and the fact the type is not operated here ?

Looks like Bob Briggs beat me to it anyway, that will be tough to beat. https://imgur.com/TwFSuJF
If that's the case, why not get your FAA license conversion which should carry over all your Canadian ratings, and then get your FAA 747 rating?
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:22 pm Get your type rating on all of them. That’s not the issue. The issue is you’re looking to get it stamped in your blue booklet. The 747 has no value in Canada.
A few years ago, I met a Canadian pilot who had recently left flying a 747-400 in the Middle East. He said he would soon be starting his new job flying a 747SP at Pratt and Whitney based at YMX. Perhaps the rating may not provide specific advantage in terms of reduce training legally required but it could assist in flying a cool jet. I think the SP is still around in PW.
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Perhaps look for a B17 type? That would nicely round off the Boeing 7 line..
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How about a Boeing 377(or KC-97).

I have some time in a B75.
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Very cool pal. I'm jealous. Good luck with your training.
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pelmet wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 am I think the SP is still around in PW.
It's a way cool setup for engine testing.

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goldeneagle wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:21 pm
pelmet wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 am I think the SP is still around in PW.
It's a way cool setup for engine testing.

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I remember reading an article about GE testing their GE90 engine for the 777 on their own 747-200. It was extremely interesting about the VMCG considerations and throttle management for takeoff with the much bigger GE90 installed. I suppose the small engine on the PW 747SP combined with its location means that the VMCG issues are less of an issue. I suspect that the short body 747SP might have more difficulty handling a GE90 than a normal length 747. Flaps and vertical tail are different on the SP as well.
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https://www.panamacademy.com/flight-training-devices/
They used to have a 707 sim but it looks like it’s out of service now.
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pelmet wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:13 am
goldeneagle wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:21 pm
pelmet wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 am I think the SP is still around in PW.
It's a way cool setup for engine testing.

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I remember reading an article about GE testing their GE90 engine for the 777 on their own 747-200. It was extremely interesting about the VMCG considerations and throttle management for takeoff with the much bigger GE90 installed. I suppose the small engine on the PW 747SP combined with its location means that the VMCG issues are less of an issue. I suspect that the short body 747SP might have more difficulty handling a GE90 than a normal length 747. Flaps and vertical tail are different on the SP as well.
I read an article years ago that said that the reason the 747 had a hump for the front portion was that the captain had to have space to sit on his wallet, but this picture makes that even better.
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Funny anyone would wonder why a guy might want this.

$20,000 is a lot of money, but Rolex doesn’t have any trouble whatsoever getting people to shell out the same or more for an obsolete, relatively inaccurate timepiece made out of base materials.

It would be a heck of an experience.
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Nauclerus wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:55 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:22 pm The issue is you’re looking to get it stamped in your blue booklet. The 747 has no value in Canada.
That's a question, would Transport even issue the rating given the foreign training, and the fact the type is not operated here ?

Looks like Bob Briggs beat me to it anyway, that will be tough to beat. https://imgur.com/TwFSuJF
I have the 747 in my Canadian Blue Book, flown overseas, however if my memory serves me I think I had to show 50hrs on type to have it added.
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Ki-ll wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:35 pm https://www.panamacademy.com/flight-training-devices/
They used to have a 707 sim but it looks like it’s out of service now.
Don't ever waste your money at Pan Am Sim training(Especially Miami), its one of the worst run places with old broken down Sims and their trainers are more Sim operators than trainers.
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Meatservo wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:01 pm
It would be a heck of an experience.
Flying the thing would be an experience. Sitting in a simulator reading emergency checklists isn't worth the bragging rights that will come with an asterisk.
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