frozen atpl question

heeypilot · Post by **heeypilot** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:34 pm

maybe someone can help me here.. if you don't have enough time to hold the ATPL, but you write the exams and pass, how long will that frozen atpl last for until you either have to rewrite it or get the hours to hold the actual atpl?

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:54 pm

this is often ? that faces pc12 and caravan drivers

the ride comes up and u have a group 1 with your atpl so since ya dont
want a spend say 3 grand to do the group 1 - you do the ride in the company 12 or cvan . you now have a group 3 ifr with ppc
and your atpl is ' now frozen' provided your atpl was valid at the time
it will remain 'in your file ' and once the group 1 ride is done it becomes
valid again hope that helps

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:38 pm

The exams are good for two years.

prang one · Post by **prang one** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:05 am

To the best of my knowledge there is no "frozen" ATPL licence under the Transport Canada regs.

If you are talking about the old CAA or JAA (F) ATPL once you have passed your exam groups you have 3 years to get to 1500 total time and be granted your ATPL (this time period limit may have changed)

BY the way total time includes full time on any aircraft you are licenced and rated to fly. ie first officer time counts in full.

hope this is what you were after

Kenny G · Post by **Kenny G** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:19 am

You have 2 years to get your hours and a group one IFR. OR you must do them again.

rippey · Post by **rippey** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:52 pm

If you write the exams instead of the IATRA in order to get a type rating added to your license the exams don't expire but are held for as long as it takes to get the hour requirements.

The Flyer · Post by **The Flyer** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:09 pm

Sorry guy's but I gotta correct you here.
When you write the exams you have two years to get the requirments for the ATPL. The only way you can get away from this is if you get a PPC on an aircraft that REQUIRE'S an ATPL, i.e. a true two crew aircraft. Also Co-jo time is only half, I'm in this boat right now, read the CAR's, it spell's it right out, if you can't find it I can email you the reference. So if you are not going to get signed of within two years or at least get a PPC on a 2 crew aircraft then don't bother to write unless you want to re-wright.

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:36 pm

The Flyer wrote:Sorry guy's but I gotta correct you here.
When you write the exams you have two years to get the requirments for the ATPL. The only way you can get away from this is if you get a PPC on an aircraft that REQUIRE'S an ATPL, i.e. a true two crew aircraft. Also Co-jo time is only half, I'm in this boat right now, read the CAR's, it spell's it right out, if you can't find it I can email you the reference. So if you are not going to get signed of within two years or at least get a PPC on a 2 crew aircraft then don't bother to write unless you want to re-wright.

The Flyer is talking about CAR 400.03. In general, all exams are good for 24 months. The ATPL has a couple of exceptions CAR 400.03 (2) (b) (i) & (ii):

an airline transport pilot licence if examinations were previously written

(i) for the endorsement of a type rating, a mark of 70 per cent or higher was obtained on the examination and the type rating was issued; or

(ii) for the issuance of the former senior commercial pilot licence, a mark of 70 per cent or higher was obtained on the examination and the senior commercial pilot licence was issued.

In that case, if you got a type rating (that required either the IATRA or ATPL exams, high perfotmace aeroplanes don't count) the exams will be good forever.