Agreement in principle reached.

[Airbrake]

An email from the exec says an agreement in principle has been reached.
Standby for info. Hopefully it meets the pilots expectations and desires.

[Cheeseburger]

Less work more pay! Looking forward to seeing the gains. Encore pilots have been subjected to years of abysmal wages.

Hopefully they can afford to order cheese on their burger moving forward.

Solidarity!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Less work more pay! Looking forward to seeing the gains. Encore pilots have been subjected to years of abysmal wages.

Hopefully they can afford to order cheese on their burger moving forward.

Solidarity!

Keep us posted! Hope it’s nice increase in wages and QOL

[RippleRock]

Hoping for the best for you Encore guys and gals.


I'm always a little skeptical about an offer being reached this far off the strike deadline. It appears at first glace that something rather large has been left on the table.

Or perhaps the tide has finally turned and Canadian Management teams have finally read the "writing on the wall". I doubt that because the Management groups at both WJ and AC are a little "abrasive" and have a history of trying to run pilot groups into the dirt. They are fully addicted to cheep pilot labor.

[Dronepiper]

When will it be released so people can see it?

[co-joe]

Read it well, ask yourself what the intent is of every line. How could the company use this and then hide behind the wording. Look at words like "may, should, might, etc" with serious doubt. You want to see words like shall.

[Canadaflyer46]

Any promises on "flow" should be respectully disregarded. We've seen how that has gone in the past, on both the teal and red sides. Guaranteed seniority and YOS when flowing over should be a given, before any other improvements are offered. No point in spending 5+ years at Encore if you have to start at Year 1 pay when you move to the jet as has always been the case until now.

[dontcallmeshirley]

When will it be released so people can see it?

The executive summary should be out today or tomorrow hopefully.

Read it well, ask yourself what the intent is of every line. How could the company use this and then hide behind the wording. Look at words like "may, should, might, etc" with serious doubt. You want to see words like shall.

Tentative agreement is still being worked on, but you know that we will pick through it with a fine tooth comb.

Any promises on "flow" should be respectully disregarded. We've seen how that has gone in the past, on both the teal and red sides. Guaranteed seniority and YOS when flowing over should be a given, before any other improvements are offered. No point in spending 5+ years at Encore if you have to start at Year 1 pay when you move to the jet as has always been the case until now.

As far as I understand, flow was off of the table before negotiations started.

[QKZXKV]

When will it be released so people can see it?

The executive summary should be out today or tomorrow hopefully.

Read it well, ask yourself what the intent is of every line. How could the company use this and then hide behind the wording. Look at words like "may, should, might, etc" with serious doubt. You want to see words like shall.

Tentative agreement is still being worked on, but you know that we will pick through it with a fine tooth comb.

Any promises on "flow" should be respectully disregarded. We've seen how that has gone in the past, on both the teal and red sides. Guaranteed seniority and YOS when flowing over should be a given, before any other improvements are offered. No point in spending 5+ years at Encore if you have to start at Year 1 pay when you move to the jet as has always been the case until now.

As far as I understand, flow was off of the table before negotiations started.

Summary does in fact address flow.

[digits_]

Any promises on "flow" should be respectully disregarded. We've seen how that has gone in the past, on both the teal and red sides. Guaranteed seniority and YOS when flowing over should be a given, before any other improvements are offered. No point in spending 5+ years at Encore if you have to start at Year 1 pay when you move to the jet as has always been the case until now.

How would you suggest encore addresses flow at AC?


On a more serious note, hope you'll get some hefty raises out of it!

[QKZXKV]

Any promises on "flow" should be respectully disregarded. We've seen how that has gone in the past, on both the teal and red sides. Guaranteed seniority and YOS when flowing over should be a given, before any other improvements are offered. No point in spending 5+ years at Encore if you have to start at Year 1 pay when you move to the jet as has always been the case until now.

On a more serious note, hope you'll get some hefty raises out of it!

That part looks pretty good from what I've seen

[Canadaflyer46]

Well I don’t have the file handy but she’s out. Someone else will post it I hope. It is though, a big steaming pile of…

[QKZXKV]

Well I don’t have the file handy but she’s out. Someone else will post it I hope. It is though, a big steaming pile of…

I've seen it, curious what makes you think that?

Is it a lack of a PTA/PML?

[Tbayer2021]

AIP summary attached

[throwawaycorporate]

Is there still the $850/month supplement or is that gone? Can someone confirm my numbers? Is this enough in the current environment? 2% annually with inflation?

FO: $65K - $73K
CA: $100K - $135K

It looks like some nice clean up language but with 18 days worked, there's only so much they can do.

Carson just increased Metro pay to $115K in YYC
Air Sprint is $80-100K as an FO and $135K-207K as Skipper on the CJ
Flair year 1 tentatively 90K.

It blows my mind that you'd make 15% more flying a metro.

[GetAGripen]

Did they really just copy paste Porter's payscale with a neutered WSP?

This is actually pathetic.

[FelixGustof]

2% increases...lol

Surprised there aren't more airline start ups in this country given the price companies pay for pilots

Cheap!

[Dronepiper]

What was the old encore payscale LOU with the 850/momth, lou rates, etc

[a2btrail]

My word. I hope every Encore pilot votes this down. Please say no.

[truecolours]

There was still time to run out on the clock so all this aip tells me is the MEC got spooked. It happens. Happened to WestJet the first time around.

WJ: “We’ve already parked more than half the fleet so what makes you think we won’t park it all?” said while releasing May prelim pairings to mainline full of encore flights.

Alpa: “shit!”

[digits_]

AIP summary attached

What's the meaning of the relocation stuff? Do they pay you 52k if you move for the job??


Would have been a good contract 10 years ago. Hope you all vote this down... It sure won't entice many more pilots to join encore...

[Canadaflyer46]

AIP summary attached

What's the meaning of the relocation stuff? Do they pay you 52k if you move for the job??


Would have been a good contract 10 years ago. Hope you all vote this down... It sure won't entice many more pilots to join encore...

They might as well make it a million bucks for relocation, no one is ever gonna get it. Even with all YYZ flying gone, they’ll still keep the base open and just deadhead guys to YYC for 5 day pairings.

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I hope nobody fucking votes yes to this absolute disrespectful dogshit AIP.

[QKZXKV]

I'm curious about those saying vote no... not saying you're wrong

Just curious what it would take to say yes to something?

The executive summary looks like it was a rush job by the MEC and lacks detail. That really doesn't help.

[Tbayer2021]

I think this will pass. Most pilots, current and future, aren't looking to make a career out of Encore. For that reason I think they will take the pay raise now and leave as soon as they're able. Like they were planning to begin with.