Where’s the MEC explanation why they accepted first year captain rates $10 - $30000 lower than Wasaya & Perimeter

[HFNav]

Encore captain pay in 2028 $121.24, when Perimeter pilots already negotiated $129.64 to fly smaller Dash.
Wasaya’s comparable rate for year 1 captain in 2027 is $142, and would increase to $148 in 2028 if their CBA continued.

Wasaya pilots on duty 15 days, at Encore 18 days 6 months


TA2 now a 5 year contract instead of 4

the Encore pay isn’t linked to inflation rates
Why they agreed to not link inflation like most other ALPA contracts?

flow improvement? TA1 20 flow, TA2 20 unless encore expands
worse with standups

MEC & encore pilots aware of voting in a 5 year contract with rates up to $30 less than Wasaya pilots working 3 days less?

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Why does this need an explanation?

[flyinhigh]

Why does this need an explanation?

It doesn’t, just a guy that has no clue how things really work.

HF, clearly you’re not happy at Encore and think Wasaya is be all and all. If you want the money, than go to Wasaya.

[ShillBill]

Why does this need an explanation?

It doesn’t, just a guy that has no clue how things really work.

HF, clearly you’re not happy at Encore and think Wasaya is be all and all. If you want the money, than go to Wasaya.

This has to be one of shilliest things a pilot could say

I hope you're not an ALPA pilot because if you are, you're an embarrassment. And regardless, a huge embarrassment to the profession

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job)

[Bede]

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job)

Why are Perimeter and Wasaya "stupid ass jobs"?

[digits_]

Why does this need an explanation?

It doesn’t, just a guy that has no clue how things really work.

HF, clearly you’re not happy at Encore and think Wasaya is be all and all. If you want the money, than go to Wasaya.

This has to be one of shilliest things a pilot could say

I hope you're not an ALPA pilot because if you are, you're an embarrassment. And regardless, a huge embarrassment to the profession

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job)

Someone's whining, that's for sure

[lowoleo22]

The MEC is required to present offers to the membership to vote on. If this is what the membership voted for why is your outrage directed at the MEC? If you want to pack up from Calgary and move to Pickle Lake for more money then do so! Otherwise tell your fellow voters to wait for a better offer next time.

[flyinhigh]

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job)

Oh poor baby, what a shill. Boo Hoo. Grow up.

I'd explain it to you, but based on all your previous posts (hiding behind a computer) you think economics works in your fantasy mind.

Also, why is Perimeter and Wasaya a shit job? Many folks on here have chosen to make a fine career from places like that.

[rudder]

The MEC is required to present offers to the membership to vote on.

No, they are not.

That is a political/strategic choice, not a legal requirement (unless intervention from a third party with jurisdiction - fed government (legislation), CIRB, etc.)

[ShillBill]

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job)

Oh poor baby, what a shill. Boo Hoo. Grow up.

I'd explain it to you, but based on all your previous posts (hiding behind a computer) you think economics works in your fantasy mind.

Also, why is Perimeter and Wasaya a shit job? Many folks on here have chosen to make a fine career from places like that.

I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

Tell me shill, I guess you know more than the EF&A dept at ALPA?

Any ALPA MEC has access to it. It's their choice to use it

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I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

[ShillBill]

I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

Ah yes, the let's "compare ourselves to developing countries" argument

[CaptDukeNukem]

I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

Did you actually type this up?

[goingnowherefast]

The guy running crack in a 310 makes good money. How does that fit into the current formula pay?

But let's compare legitimate operations in comparable 1st world countries.

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I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

Ah yes, the let's "compare ourselves to developing countries" argument

Are you kidding me? There are only two developed countries in North America, so if you're saying that we're the lowest-paid pilots on the continent then who are you comparing us to?! What other North American pilots are paid more than us besides those in the US?

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I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

Did you actually type this up?

I sure did. What's incorrect about it?

[ShillBill]

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second-highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that there are only two countries left, then sure, we're second of two.

Did you actually type this up?

I sure did. What's incorrect about it?

Now he's doubling down lol

I think any pilot with a brain knows when you're discussing "North American" contracts, you're referencing the largest airlines in the world, not some some trash hauler in the Caribbean or a drug cartel in Mexico

Lmao

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Now he's doubling down lol

I think any pilot with a brain knows when you're discussing "North American" contracts, you're referencing the largest airlines in the world, not some some trash hauler in the Caribbean or a drug cartel in Mexico

Lmao

Then why did you make the comparison to other North American carriers, and not those in developed countries in Europe and Australia? Facts matter, and saying that we're the lowest-paid pilots in North America is objectively wrong, so your inaccuracy needs to be called out. An exec perusing these boards will see your moronic statement and think that we're comparing ourselves to pilots at Aeromexico and COPA instead of BA and Qantas, so they can low-ball during negotiations. Then they'll go to the press and make statements that Canadian pilots are paid better than 95% of North American pilots, and the public won't support us.

If someone says something that's wrong, it needs to be corrected, no matter the subject. A mature person would be willing to admit that they made a mistake, or at least phrased it poorly.

[C-GGGQ]

Except aeromexico pilots make more than us. And compared to the mean salary in their country they are millionaires. Compared to the tim hortons worker in Vancouver you’re paid less.

[‘Bob’]

What you’re worth is inversely proportional to how replaceable you are.

In Mexico or other developing countries there aren’t exactly a surplus of pilots. You had to be born into money or take advantage of nepotism. Not that that doesn’t happen in Canada.. but the problem is all of us common folk diluting the system.

In the US it’s a hard experience requirement by the regulator—one that a sizeable percentage of Encore’s pilots wouldn’t pass.

I feel sorry for those who thought “bigger airplane = bigger paycheque”.

Go to Perimeter or Wasaya if you want more money.