CEO throwing Mechanics/Union under the bus

[newlygrounded]

He said the mechanics are being represented by a U.S. union trying to make inroads into Canada at the expense of 250,000 Canadians planning to travel on WestJet this weekend.

"They deliberately chose this weekend to create maximum damage," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

[digits_]

Is the strike still on now with the binding arbitration?

[hithere]

Is this the mechanics union’s first contract? Is that why the Labour minister can force them into binding arbitration? If not, then what’s to stop him from doing this to AC pilots?

[theacolyte]

Yes it’s their first contract under the Canada Labor Code.

Different rules and no comparison to anything to do with AC pilots.

(And yes Alexis’ statements to the media were uncalled for and unbecoming of a leader)

[justapassenger]

He said the mechanics are being represented by a U.S. union trying to make inroads into Canada at the expense of 250,000 Canadians planning to travel on WestJet this weekend.

"They deliberately chose this weekend to create maximum damage," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

What’s the issue?!?! All true. Too funny; your union f-ed up. Now you go to arbitration. Hahaha. How will they spin this….”it’s what we wanted”….haha. NOT. Back to work.

[justapassenger]

He said the mechanics are being represented by a U.S. union trying to make inroads into Canada at the expense of 250,000 Canadians planning to travel on WestJet this weekend.

"They deliberately chose this weekend to create maximum damage," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

I’m still laughing and wondering the union kool-aid you are drinking. What he said was fact. There was still three negotiations scheduled?!?! Union postured….and you lost. Hahaha

[Canadaflyer46]

He said the mechanics are being represented by a U.S. union trying to make inroads into Canada at the expense of 250,000 Canadians planning to travel on WestJet this weekend.

"They deliberately chose this weekend to create maximum damage," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

I’m still laughing and wondering the union kool-aid you are drinking. What he said was fact. There was still three negotiations scheduled?!?! Union postured….and you lost. Hahaha

Admins can we get this vile troll booted?

[theacolyte]

He said the mechanics are being represented by a U.S. union trying to make inroads into Canada at the expense of 250,000 Canadians planning to travel on WestJet this weekend.

"They deliberately chose this weekend to create maximum damage," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

I’m still laughing and wondering the union kool-aid you are drinking. What he said was fact. There was still three negotiations scheduled?!?! Union postured….and you lost. Hahaha

4 sessions bargaining in good faith which based on WJs 1% proposal, they had no intention of doing.

And keep in mind a notice to strike doesn’t meant you have to walk. The union there clearly stated they remain available for the coming two weeks to bargain.

But let’s be clear, a 1% bump in exchange for a longer term in response to a 97% NO VOTE, is not realistic or bargaining in good faith. WJ was trying to protect their long weekend and had no intention to actually bargain a deal.

So they went crying to daddy government.

[goingnowherefast]

I sincerely hope the government imposes a nice fat raise with big inflation steps. WJ management can have a big plate of crow.

If the BS attitude from management is as bad as the union says, there's probably a reasonable chance.

[bcflyer]

There are plenty of ways to slow things down without being on strike. The CEO may have just made a very big mistake. Especially just before a long weekend…

[justapassenger]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-star ... -1.6941381

I’m still laughing and wondering the union kool-aid you are drinking. What he said was fact. There was still three negotiations scheduled?!?! Union postured….and you lost. Hahaha

Admins can we get this vile troll booted?

Booted?!?! Is this a union website? You whining to your local with your union card out?!?! I havent broken a rules, done any personnel attacks, sworn, etc….just providing a view you don’t agree with and are crying about it just like with your job you applied for and are not being forced to do?!?! You don’t like it, quit. Insert baby emoji.

[QKZXKV]

I’m still laughing and wondering the union kool-aid you are drinking. What he said was fact. There was still three negotiations scheduled?!?! Union postured….and you lost. Hahaha

Admins can we get this vile troll booted?

Booted?!?! Is this a union website? You whining to your local with your union card out?!?! I havent broken a rules, done any personnel attacks, sworn, etc….just providing a view you don’t agree with and are crying about it just like with your job you applied for and are not being forced to do?!?! You don’t like it, quit. Insert baby emoji.

Just remember you aren't allowed to have a difference of opinion these days, especially if it's anti-union(socialist).

[DanWEC]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

[Canadaflyer46]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Well said. An uneducated, malicious troll. Boot them!

[rookiepilot]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

I might agree with much of what you said, and I definitely support the unions (even from an opposite background) to negotiate aggressively and try to keep pace with inflation, but your solution sounds a lot like the liberals would want if they could get it -- a complete control of dissenting opinions from their agenda, even to the point of blocking Twitter and Fox in this country.

[QKZXKV]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Where does that end though?, you could make that argument for anyone who disagrees with you, we see that in our world constantly these days, including with our own governments censoring social media. If you really are an adult running this account Dan, you'll scroll on by rather than writing an essay about what you think can and can't be said on here...

[Canadaflyer46]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Where does that end though?, you could make that argument for anyone who disagrees with you, we see that in our world constantly these days, including with our own governments censoring social media. If you really are an adult running this account Dan, you'll scroll on by rather than writing an essay about what you think can and can't be said on here...

What’s the issue?!?! All true. Too funny; your union f-ed up. Now you go to arbitration. Hahaha. How will they spin this….”it’s what we wanted”….haha. NOT. Back to work.

I'm for all debate and opposing opinions, but this scumbag is actually taking enjoyment in others misfortune and laughing at them. The definition of a troll.

[QKZXKV]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Where does that end though?, you could make that argument for anyone who disagrees with you, we see that in our world constantly these days, including with our own governments censoring social media. If you really are an adult running this account Dan, you'll scroll on by rather than writing an essay about what you think can and can't be said on here...

What’s the issue?!?! All true. Too funny; your union f-ed up. Now you go to arbitration. Hahaha. How will they spin this….”it’s what we wanted”….haha. NOT. Back to work.

I'm for all debate and opposing opinions, but this scumbag is actually taking enjoyment in others misfortune and laughing at them. The definition of a troll.

Then ignore it... don't feed it...

[DanWEC]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Where does that end though?, you could make that argument for anyone who disagrees with you, we see that in our world constantly these days, including with our own governments censoring social media. If you really are an adult running this account Dan, you'll scroll on by rather than writing an essay about what you think can and can't be said on here...

Ok, you're missing my point. This isn't about censorship. There's no fricken charter here.

This is the way I look at it and it might help if you look at this perspective; This forum is a group of people who get together to talk planes. It's the exact same as a regular group in a pub, club, park, marina, whatever. That's all.
If someone's crazy enough to show up just to wind a group of guys at a bar up guess what happens?

Now, if someone has an authentic, dissenting viewpoint who genuinely believes and articulates it for conversation, that's another story altogether and welcome- but that's obviously not a factor here, we're talking about obvious troll accounts that are very annoying, and I think it's time they start getting vetted.

The irony is that there have been people banned over the years who have a wealth of knowledge, who are polarizing and opinionated, but perhaps not polite enough. Those voices which I'd love to hear from are gone, yet the random intentionally pointless troll accounts that contribute absolutely nothing but feces are here in droves.

Why do I care? Because there are many true professionals here whom I've become friends with, who just don't bother posting anymore and we're all less educated and connected because of it. Not everything has to be just accepted as "internet stupid".

If you're happy tuning out and ignoring the backslide that's fine, you do you, and I don't mean that sarcastically, it's fine. However, I'm not. And the irony of you writing a post to decry me writing a post is pretty funny.

Also, perhaps this deserves it's own thread at this point.

[The Hammer]

It's pretty clear that AMFA intended to used the long weekend and the busiest week of the year as leverage. Why wouldn't they? There is the risk that public opinion may not lean your way, especially In Ontario and the west where only BC leans left of centre. WJ has made it clear their market focus is YYZ and west.


AMFA should have known that forced arbitration was an option to the federal government for this contract but maybe that's a misstep with WJ being the first Canadian employee group they've had.

ACPA learned some hard lessons early on during negots about Canadian labour law. ALPA should be able help them for this round of negots with their deep resources and many decades of working with labour law in Canada.

[QKZXKV]

Actually, I totally support removing accounts like these along with a handful of others.

This isn't some sort of government protected venue for freedom of expression, it's a semi-private community for those with an affection (or affliction) for aviation.

When someone creates an account like this with no educated opinion nor to engage in a healthy debate, but purely to disparage and antagonize the group, it's obviously fake and they contribute nothing.

At the worst it's an actual anti-union management plant, and at the best it's a troll who gets a mildly sociopathic kick out of riling and annoying people for reactions.

So, either way, this type of spam account is a negative contribution, provides no benefit, and just brings everyone down without providing actual counterpoints. So please, remove!

Where does that end though?, you could make that argument for anyone who disagrees with you, we see that in our world constantly these days, including with our own governments censoring social media. If you really are an adult running this account Dan, you'll scroll on by rather than writing an essay about what you think can and can't be said on here...

Ok, you're missing my point. This isn't about censorship. There's no fricken charter here.

This is the way I look at it and it might help if you look at this perspective; This forum is a group of people who get together to talk planes. It's the exact same as a regular group in a pub, club, park, marina, whatever. That's all.
If someone's crazy enough to show up just to wind a group of guys at a bar up guess what happens?

Now, if someone has an authentic, dissenting viewpoint who genuinely believes and articulates it for conversation, that's another story altogether and welcome- but that's obviously not a factor here, we're talking about obvious troll accounts that are very annoying, and I think it's time they start getting vetted.

The irony is that there have been people banned over the years who have a wealth of knowledge, who are polarizing and opinionated, but perhaps not polite enough. Those voices which I'd love to hear from are gone, yet the random intentionally pointless troll accounts that contribute absolutely nothing but feces are here in droves.

Why do I care? Because there are many true professionals here whom I've become friends with, who just don't bother posting anymore and we're all less educated and connected because of it. Not everything has to be just accepted as "internet stupid".

If you're happy tuning out and ignoring the backslide that's fine, you do you, and I don't mean that sarcastically, it's fine. However, I'm not. And the irony of you writing a post to decry me writing a post is pretty funny.

Also, perhaps this deserves it's own thread at this point.

Ok there's a lot here... I'll stay concise...

I think it's referred to as "govern yourself accordingly". If it's pretty toxic here for you now it's much better for your mental health to remove yourself from the situation since you're the grownup, rather than getting others to do the work for you. I don't like a lot of what is said on here, rather than whine about ejection, I either choose to take acception or ignore. I guess I can filter it.

[justapassenger]

Appreciate the support for people like me with opposite views. I’ll exit this thread if it’s hurting the card carriers feelings that didn’t get their way. As it was said, you should have known this would happen…..the card doesn’t mate you invisible! Later.

[goingnowherefast]

There's the friends and foes list in the user control panel. Ignore posts from foes.

Forced arbitration was hopefully a calculated risk by AMFA. I've said it before, if management was acting as poorly as they claim, it will look good for the union in arbitration. Hopefully things go well for the workers in arbitration and the calculated risk pays off. Management comes out the fool for forcing arbitration and gets a contract that favours the mechanics.

[planenuts]

It's pretty clear that AMFA intended to used the long weekend and the busiest week of the year as leverage. Why wouldn't they? There is the risk that public opinion may not lean your way, especially In Ontario and the west where only BC leans left of centre. WJ has made it clear their market focus is YYZ and west.


AMFA should have known that forced arbitration was an option to the federal government for this contract but maybe that's a misstep with WJ being the first Canadian employee group they've had.

ACPA learned some hard lessons early on during negots about Canadian labour law. ALPA should be able help them for this round of negots with their deep resources and many decades of working with labour law in Canada.

This is not the first canadian company AMFA represents

[flyinhigh]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.7250665

lol. Amazing
Well done, I love how they feds criticized the Ontario government over the way the teachers were handled and now they are getting it.